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Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82
Allow me to clarify - there’s more riding pleasure than driving pleasure in BMW SUVs. And it didn’t used to be that way. Try driving something else that’s a step up in driving pleasure - Audi SQ7 or Mercedes AMG or Porsche Ceyenne. Then let me know if you understand what I’m saying here. Your response is a bit delusional. You’re saying I should switch vehicles and that I’m contradicting myself. Not true. I prefer the tradeoffs - after all, it’s an SUV. I also provided another more distinct and relevant example of what I mean and this has been corroborated in those threads - the M3 is numb and the driving feel comes from the chassis - drive by the seat of your pants. Driving the new CLE53AMG has been refreshing if only for the feel of the steering and brakes and a feeling of cohesiveness and connectedness. It’s a slower car to be sure but has feeling. Or the Blackwing or AQ have similarly more driving pleasure than the M3.
Look, I’ve been driving BMWs for 30 years. It’s not an ignorant or misguided critique or understanding on my part. There is nothing really debatable. The e39 M5 and older X5 gens and e46 and f8x and e9x M3’s were also better drivers cars. But yes I prefer the BMW SUVs to everything else because of how comfortable, efficient, fast, and reliable they are.
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You now keep on ammending your comment, trying to make it somehow make sense... calling mine a bit delusional, but not owning that your first comment was just not correct. Seems like you might be the type of person who owns the truth.
Well, it's not my case, at least I hope it´s not. And I also do not like getting into fruitless discussions with pleople with no real arguments or integrity to accept reality.
So you won´t read following comments from me on this topic, and THANK YOU for letting us know that current X5s and X7s are "dialed without driving pleasure" and that the correct term is "riding pleasure", not like in the long gone days when it was all better.