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Originally Posted by Alfisti
A lot to cover here..........
The question is what do they cost now vs 15 years ago adjusted for inflation? I am also not sold on your target buyer from years gone by, admittedly in the USA things are different to everywhere else but they have been very expensive for a LONG time. My 2009 PDK Cab has a MSRP nudging $100K USD. These have been highly aspirational cars for a long time and well beyond the "doing bit better than ok" crowd if we are talking new.
If we start at the 997.2, because the .1 blows up and the 996 is generally the ugly duckling (and also blows up), yeah you can find them for under $100K, nearly half that for a cab/pdk, but you're talking about 15 year old cars. A clean, stick, coupe with under 30K miles .... you're nudging 6 figures quickly.
The cheapest 458 in America is $160K, now we are talking 15 year old Ferrari maintenance.......
Have you been in a 992 interior? It is spectacular in it's build quality. The car is refined and built well, arguably too refined but there's still a pretty decent gap to a new C8.
Agree on the buyer profile.
Eh? Going back to the oldest "modern" 911 worth buying, the 997.2, and you're still way over 50% of the new price at 60,000 miles. Some, like a stick GTS, are now above MSRP from 2011. These things hold their price extremely stubbornly and far better than the Cayman/Boxster.
Is it dumb though? I mean it is if sales drop to a level that doesn't cover the revenue delta of the extra pricing but is it?
On a rebuild, a ground up engine is $40K, roller will still be $35 to $40K though, not getting it anywhere near $15K.
Posting all that I sound like an apologist, I am not. Comparing new cars with new cars, which is all that counts, if you want a sports car, an actual sports car not a GT car, what are your options on the nicer side? Lotus? Americans are too risk averse to buy a Lotus. Maserati MC20? $$$$$$$$$. Next step up gets VERY expensive very quickly, most McLarens and Ferrari are near double the price of a 911.
Realistically, as a buyer, you're deciding between a 3T Supra or stepping up to a 911, there's a big gap there.
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lol Porsche build quality. I remember my squeaks, creaks and rattles of my 992. I remember all the times I've been in other 992s and head it. I remember the issues I had with my TCU. I remember all the issues I've seen in my shop with other 992s.
Yeah sure.