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      07-25-2025, 11:54 AM   #66
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Originally Posted by KevinM View Post
Maybe. Okay, yes. But aside than the fact that BMW could use a MT than can handle increased torque
Bingo - BMW should invest into an upgraded MT.
It's long overdue.
Until it does (and I'm less and less sure that it will), I'll remain lukewarm on the MT value proposition. And this coming from a guy who has had MT cars since E30 days.

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there are a lot of BMW enthusiasts who are happy with < 450 lb-ft and want the involvement of a MT.
Driving a manual is really much more fun in an underpowered car.
In a car with 400+ HP or lb-fts, it's less of a challenge/reward. You can shift the car into any gear and it will pull like a train from 800 RPMs to redline. Shift, rinse, repeat.

There are a lot of VOCAL enthusiasts who claim to love MT, but sales numbers don't back that up.

I would not trade performance degradation just to pay for an outdated 6MT.
If BMW were to upgrade its manuals, I would consider changing my mind.

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Originally Posted by Rafichicago View Post
You both have valid points however if it was all about speed and power decent E46 M3 wouldn’t cost 45k
And a decent E30 M3 wouldn't cost $75+K.
But that's nastalgia-driven and not performance-based pricing.

YMMV,
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