[Alvy26]

https://www.carscoops.com/2025/01/bm...ler-was-an-ev/

- New figures from BMW show the performance M division had its best ever year in 2024.

- The M division sold 206,582 vehicles, accounting for 9.4 percent of total BMW production.

- The M2 and M3 both experienced growth but the electric i4 M50 was the best seller.

[pbonsalb]

The link does not work for me. Is the 10% real M cars like M5 or does it include the watered down versions like M550i?

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

The link does not work for me. Is the 10% real M cars like M5 or does it include the watered down versions like M550i?

Exactly my question as well. It's not clear from the article, but based on the numbers I would guess it does include the "M Performance" models.

The closest quote from the article seems to be this (which is clear as mud):

Originally Posted by Car Scoops

The good news for more hardcore M fans is that the brand’s true M cars experienced massive growth ensuring they’ll be with us for a while to come. And we don’t just mean they’re ‘true’ M cars because they’re powered by combustion engines. BMW itself make a distinction between M (performance) models like the M340i, X7 M60i and i4 M50i and what it calls “high-performance” M models like the M2, M3 and M5.

[xander_g]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

The link does not work for me. Is the 10% real M cars like M5 or does it include the watered down versions like M550i?

asking the important questions

[AndreiPopescu]

Irrelevant since M lite cars are included

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by AndreiPopescu

Irrelevant since M lite cars are included

Exactly. Why is this front page news

[TheBingoBalls]

I believe all M Performance models are included in that figure. While BMW recognizes M Performance and “True M” as separate models, I believe they’re considered together with regards to BMW M.

Mercedes does the same thing with “AMG lite” and “AMG Pure” when referring to AMG from what I can read from releases.

[ZL9M2]

When everything is an M car... It's all about the marketing.

[eman4517]

...and diamond sales are also expected to increase this year at double digit rates (including lab- grown diamonds though)

[Alpine300zhp]

Yep, this includes the M performance line as well as the limited CS models. As I understand it, Benz is doing the same thing with their AMG lite cars as well.

[snareman]

Agree with everyone else. M-sport vehicles in the past would never have been counted since, they are not M vehicles, so why is the new equivalent of them being counted now other than to just falsely boost sales figures ❓

[G80indy]

Originally Posted by ZL9M2

When everything is an M car... It's all about the marketing.

Indeed
M as in Marketing segment of their assortment

[wesleyan92]

Fake news! 😂😂😂

[Navy Davy]

It’s just to be able to charge more on the M lites.

[wdeerfield]

Whatever keeps the bean counters happy. But if it continues to add budget to M, the enthusiasts should remain quiet and happy.

[TheMidnightNarwhal]

It's wild to me how BMW have transformed M sport pack cars into their own models and then lump them with actual M cars. Wtf lol.

[ASAP]

m lite and m sport cars are included... they are pumping numbers and clearly its working as average price of models has skyrocketed

nothing below a true comp model should have an m badge on it but here we are

[uniqueMR]

M Performance models: biggest scam

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by AndreiPopescu

Irrelevant since M lite cars are included

Important because the i4 M50 was the best selling M branded car.

That says a lot about M and pure electric M.

It has been the most popular M branded car now for two years running.

[NSXR]

Originally Posted by uniqueMR

M Performance models: biggest scam

I don't think so. "M" has just come to mean "increased performance over the base model." So in that light it's not a scam, it's just providing increased performance without having to buy a much more expensive, and difficult to deal with true M-Car.

[hufington]

The letter "M" has been watered down lately.

[Stronie]

Originally Posted by snareman

Agree with everyone else. M-sport vehicles in the past would never have been counted since, they are not M vehicles, so why is the new equivalent of them being counted now other than to just falsely boost sales figures ❓

Hey Hey! Been a while. Good to see you're still in Ohio / Bimmerpost. Cheers.