[pbonsalb]

Lucid is very limited production. Could be like owning an exotic car. Inconvenient and expensive to maintain and repair and insure. If you own one only during warranty and live near a dealer, have another car to drive and obtain insurance rates that are reasonable to you, it makes more sense. If I could have any EV, it would be the top Lucid — Air Sapphire or whatever the $250k version is called. Fast, well appointed, well built by all accounts.

[CLTMDA]

I owned the Grand Touring and I could not imagine the need for a Sapphire under almost any circumstances. They give you three levels of performance to choose from in the Grand Touring. The most aggressive would bump the available hp from 600+ to 890 if I remember correctly and you had to acknowledge the warning that would pop up on the screen. I might have driven in the mode a handful of times in the time I owned the car. It was insane and you definitely do not need the 1000+ of the first limited edition models or the 1300+ of the Sapphire.

As far as service, they were actually more timely and easier than my local BMW or MB dealer as they would send a mobile tech to my house the couple of times I needed it. I only needed it shortly after delivery to correct a few things as well as once for the annual service, all done in my garage. They have a very good warranty as well. It required far less service than any other BMW, MB or Porsche I have owned other than my current X5 which I have owned almost a year and will be taking it in for the first time for annual service.

Insurance was no different. All this talk and rehashing my experience makes me want to go out and reacquire another Lucid Grand Touring as a second car and pass the X5 on to the wife to replace her 2018 MB GLS.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by CLTMDA

I owned the Grand Touring and I could not imagine the need for a Sapphire under almost any circumstances. They give you three levels of performance to choose from in the Grand Touring. The most aggressive would bump the available hp from 600+ to 890 if I remember correctly and you had to acknowledge the warning that would pop up on the screen. I might have driven in the mode a handful of times in the time I owned the car. It was insane and you definitely do not need the 1000+ of the first limited edition models or the 1300+ of the Sapphire.

As far as service, they were actually more timely and easier than my local BMW or MB dealer as they would send a mobile tech to my house the couple of times I needed it. I only needed it shortly after delivery to correct a few things as well as once for the annual service, all done in my garage. They have a very good warranty as well. It required far less service than any other BMW, MB or Porsche I have owned other than my current X5 which I have owned almost a year and will be taking it in for the first time for annual service.

Insurance was no different. All this talk and rehashing my experience makes me want to go out and reacquire another Lucid Grand Touring as a second car and pass the X5 on to the wife to replace her 2018 MB GLS.

Thanks for the insight regarding service and reliability. I've been tracking your comments in this thread as you are a previous owner. My needs are pretty simple. I need a replacement for my RWD BMW sedan that will deliver reliability and economy at a level my 325i has for the past 18 years. I have no desire for a 800 HP AWD super sedan. RWD with a 4.5 sec. 0 - 60 is more than adequate. 400 miles of battery range is where adoption of EV nears my threshold.

I think I could live with 400 miles and 200 miles in 17 minutes recovery. I still have reservations of using the public infrastructure on road trips because it seems like it takes too much planning based on my monitoring of threads on the Mustang Mach E forum.

[CLTMDA]

There are quite a few apps that make it easier to plan (https://abetterrouteplanner.com/), showing charging plans based on route, charger availability, etc. It is better to run the battery down to 10% or less as the charging curves are much better when starting at a lower point. You will never feel as confident though on a road trip than you do with an ICE vehicle, at least not yet and depending on location. There are still too many places that would be considered a charging desert.

400 miles of range in my Lucid was NEVER an issue for me. It was always more than that by a significant amount. Charging speed depended on the charger location and where you were on the curve for the most part. I have a charger at home so it was only an issue on road trips and I did leave the Lucid at home on a few trips due to charging uncertainty. It had nothing to do with the car, but rather the infrastructure.

The price for a slightly used Lucid is a real bargain in my opinion if you understand the limitations and use case.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by CLTMDA

There are quite a few apps that make it easier to plan (https://abetterrouteplanner.com/), showing charging plans based on route, charger availability, etc. It is better to run the battery down to 10% or less as the charging curves are much better when starting at a lower point. You will never feel as confident though on a road trip than you do with an ICE vehicle, at least not yet and depending on location. There are still too many places that would be considered a charging desert.

400 miles of range in my Lucid was NEVER an issue for me. It was always more than that by a significant amount. Charging speed depended on the charger location and where you were on the curve for the most part. I have a charger at home so it was only an issue on road trips and I did leave the Lucid at home on a few trips due to charging uncertainty. It had nothing to do with the car, but rather the infrastructure.

The price for a slightly used Lucid is a real bargain in my opinion if you understand the limitations and use case.

The Fuel.gov site states the 2023 Air Grand Touring has an EPA rating of 469 miles. In real world experience are you saying your car achieved 400+ range on a consistent basis? A few reviews of the Air Pure state a real world range is just above 300 (vs. 420 rating). It seems the Pure loses about 30% range in cold weather. I know you ran yours mainly in the south. Any insight is appreciated.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

The Fuel.gov site states the 2023 Air Grand Touring has an EPA rating of 469 miles. In real world experience are you saying your car achieved 400+ range on a consistent basis? A few reviews of the Air Pure state a real world range is just above 300 (vs. 420 rating). It seems the Pure loses about 30% range in cold weather. I know you ran yours mainly in the south. Any insight is appreciated.

I'm not sure what's considered "real world" but I have seen many videos online of people who basically drive EVs until they die and the Lucids always seem to do better than their stated range. Usually these test are highway driving at some set speed like 70 mph until it drops to a low enough level where the car puts itself in limp mode or whatever EVs call it then they drive on side streets until it dies.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

I'm not sure what's considered "real world" but I have seen many videos online of people who basically drive EVs until they die and the Lucids always seem to do better than their stated range. Usually these test are highway driving at some set speed like 70 mph until it drops to a low enough level where the car puts itself in limp mode or whatever EVs call it then they drive on side streets until it dies.

For me real world means efficiency over the four seasons of operation. ICEV do not change 30% in efficiency in the winter or summer. 300 miles in winter would be tolerable for my intended use case, which is basically the Air Pure's EPA range at 70%.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Thanks for the insight regarding service and reliability. I've been tracking your comments in this thread as you are a previous owner. My needs are pretty simple. I need a replacement for my RWD BMW sedan that will deliver reliability and economy at a level my 325i has for the past 18 years. I have no desire for a 800 HP AWD super sedan. RWD with a 4.5 sec. 0 - 60 is more than adequate. 400 miles of battery range is where adoption of EV nears my threshold.

I think I could live with 400 miles and 200 miles in 17 minutes recovery. I still have reservations of using the public infrastructure on road trips because it seems like it takes too much planning based on my monitoring of threads on the Mustang Mach E forum.

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[RM7]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

For me real world means efficiency over the four seasons of operation. ICEV do not change 30% in efficiency in the winter or summer. 300 miles in winter would be tolerable for my intended use case, which is basically the Air Pure's EPA range at 70%.

I can be getting around 18mpg in my truck in the summer and 13-14 in the winter.

[pbonsalb]

In my state in the Northeast, reformulated fuel is used in the winter that seems to slightly reduce fuel economy. Supposedly the winter gas pollutes less in cold weather, but I don’t know the reasons why. My MPG is very slightly less on average in winter and I have always thought this is due to the reformulated gas. When I say slightly less, I mean within about 1 mpg.

[CLTMDA]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

The Fuel.gov site states the 2023 Air Grand Touring has an EPA rating of 469 miles. In real world experience are you saying your car achieved 400+ range on a consistent basis? A few reviews of the Air Pure state a real world range is just above 300 (vs. 420 rating). It seems the Pure loses about 30% range in cold weather. I know you ran yours mainly in the south. Any insight is appreciated.

Yes, I never got less than 400 when I was paying attention to it.

There were times I got close to this number, but it was either very cold, rainy or both. Range also would be less if I drove close to 80 for extended periods of time. I also noted a couple drives where it looked like I was definitely on track to hit 450+ if I hadn't stopped to charge.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

In my state in the Northeast, reformulated fuel is used in the winter that seems to slightly reduce fuel economy. Supposedly the winter gas pollutes less in cold weather, but I don’t know the reasons why. My MPG is very slightly less on average in winter and I have always thought this is due to the reformulated gas. When I say slightly less, I mean within about 1 mpg.

I literally have around 750,000 miles of hand-recorded fuel mileage data for many of my vehicles dating back to the mid 1980s. Just on my E90 alone I have 426,000 miles of data; I've recorded every fill up by date, miles, gals., cost, and price. 99.999% of my tank fills were to full (pump shut off) and probably 90% of the fills were at one of three stations I usually fueled at and usually at the same pump. So, the data is very consistent because most all the driving was the same route I drove to commute to my office.

The data show no significant statistical change over each refueling between tanks and when seasonal timing is analyzed. At best the difference between mid summer and mid winter is just over 1 MPG (about a 4% change). But that change is not statistically different than between tank fills. The lifetime average has been 27.3 MPG. Never has the data shown MPG varied by 30%.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Lucid is very limited production. Could be like owning an exotic car. Inconvenient and expensive to maintain and repair and insure. If you own one only during warranty and live near a dealer, have another car to drive and obtain insurance rates that are reasonable to you, it makes more sense.

^This. There are very few true Lucid dealers in the US with real service facilities. Sure, a LUCID mobile tech could come to your house and try and fix small issues, but for big stuff, good luck unless you live in one of the very few cities with a Lucid service center. Trying to get parts, much less work, is exotic car level annoyances. You'd best have an extra car available because if you've got to ship your Lucid, you'll be out of a car for weeks/months. I know a guy that had one in Kansas City and got rid of because it was so annoying and time consuming to get serviced/fixed.

Cool cars, but the brand is not yet ready for true prime time with the general buying public.

[pbonsalb]

Production last year was around 10,000. Lucid is losing about $300,000 on each car it sells. But it biggest investor is the Saudi national fund so it may well survive and prosper. The cars get great reviews. I’d like a Sapphire, but they are $250,000.

[CLTMDA]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

^This. There are very few true Lucid dealers in the US with real service facilities. Sure, a LUCID mobile tech could come to your house and try and fix small issues, but for big stuff, good luck unless you live in one of the very few cities with a Lucid service center. Trying to get parts, much less work, is exotic car level annoyances. You'd best have an extra car available because if you've got to ship your Lucid, you'll be out of a car for weeks/months. I know a guy that had one in Kansas City and got rid of because it was so annoying and time consuming to get serviced/fixed.

Cool cars, but the brand is not yet ready for true prime time with the general buying public.

I respectfully disagree. Not in my actual first-hand experience. I got rear-ended and had to have the rear bumper cover replaced along with everything attached to it. Parts were not an issue whatsoever. Mobile service was faster when I needed it than it is to schedule an appointment with either my local BMW or MB dealer. I had one issue when I first received the car that needed a service center with the nearest one being 250 miles away. I was without the car for a few days, but had a loaner/rental delivered to my door, ended up being no real difference than if I had an issue with my BMW or MB. Now, my experience might be better than average and might be different now that they have more cars on the road, but, then again, it was an issue that ended up having an SB attached and being corrected at the factory, so it would be interesting to know what more recent experience has been. My annual service was a matter of making a phone call, mobile service showing up at my garage and them being done in an hour or so.

Get real, first hand, more up to date feedback by looking at The Lucid Owners Forum, but, remember, people tend to post their negative experiences more than their positive ones.

I would not hesitate to buy another if the non-Tesla charging network were more robust in the SE US or if/when Lucid can utilize the Tesla supercharger network.

[TXSTYLE]

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[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by CLTMDA

I respectfully disagree. Not in my actual first-hand experience. I got rear-ended and had to have the rear bumper cover replaced along with everything attached to it. Parts were not an issue whatsoever. Mobile service was faster when I needed it than it is to schedule an appointment with either my local BMW or MB dealer. I had one issue when I first received the car that needed a service center with the nearest one being 250 miles away. I was without the car for a few days, but had a loaner/rental delivered to my door, ended up being no real difference than if I had an issue with my BMW or MB. Now, my experience might be better than average and might be different now that they have more cars on the road, but, then again, it was an issue that ended up having an SB attached and being corrected at the factory, so it would be interesting to know what more recent experience has been. My annual service was a matter of making a phone call, mobile service showing up at my garage and them being done in an hour or so.

Get real, first hand, more up to date feedback by looking at The Lucid Owners Forum, but, remember, people tend to post their negative experiences more than their positive ones.

I would not hesitate to buy another if the non-Tesla charging network were more robust in the SE US or if/when Lucid can utilize the Tesla supercharger network.

Being in Kansas City, the guy I know had his sent to service centers in Chicago and then to Dallas for repairs related to some sort of electronics issue and a motor issue. He owned the car for 2 years, 3 months of which it was spent at the service center.

[CLTMDA]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Being in Kansas City, the guy I know had his sent to service centers in Chicago and then to Dallas for repairs related to some sort of electronics issue and a motor issue. He owned the car for 2 years, 3 months of which it was spent at the service center.

Again, I would strongly suggest anyone interested do their own homework and look at the Lucid Owners forum. You know one guy who had one experience. I can tell you I actually had the same type of experience with my BMW B7 that your friend had with his Lucid, but here I am with another BMW. I replaced my B7 with a BMW M5, replaced the M5 with a Lucid and replaced the Lucid with an X5. I would still have the Lucid except for reasons other than the car itself. I did not have that experience with my Lucid, but I still strongly suggest one does his own due diligence. The Owners Forum is a great source and is probably negatively skewed just because of human nature, but it is still a great forum.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by CLTMDA

Again, I would strongly suggest anyone interested do their own homework and look at the Lucid Owners forum. You know one guy who had one experience. I can tell you I actually had the same type of experience with my BMW B7 that your friend had with his Lucid, but here I am with another BMW. I replaced my B7 with a BMW M5, replaced the M5 with a Lucid and replaced the Lucid with an X5. I would still have the Lucid except for reasons other than the car itself. I did not have that experience with my Lucid, but I still strongly suggest one does his own due diligence. The Owners Forum is a great source and is probably negatively skewed just because of human nature, but it is still a great forum.

I get what you're saying, but it's hard for many of us to consider a car a "safe" daily driver if you can't get it fixed locally. I sure as heck wouldn't take a Lucid on a long cross country trip. There are only about 30 service centers in the US and most are located on the coasts. You live in Charlotte with a dealer in your city.

[CLTMDA]

I did not know we now have a dealer in Charlotte. While I owned the Air GT, the mobile service was out of Atlanta or Richmond. I know they were talking about basing a mobile service tech in Charlotte though as there are quite a few cars here. I see one or two almost weekly and at least one at the airport whenever I go.

Your comment gets me back to one of the original things I noted, use case. I never hesitated taking my car anywhere because I was worried about reliability. It was always charger network uncertainty. There are literally millions of people that do not have any dealership other than those that sell primarily trucks close to them, but still drive a car without a dealership close to them. One example off the top of my head is owning a Mini in New Orleans (as my son does). The BMW dealership there will not service it and the closest Mini dealership is in Pensacola or Houston.

Everyone must make their own judgement as to risk and use case. We know what yours is, but I would not want to break down in the middle of nowhere no matter what car I drove.

As far as a "safe" daily driver. All of my BMW's (5 series, 7 series, B7, M5) and MB with the exception of my X5 spent more time in the shop per year than the total time my Lucid did over two years. That is just my experience and I know others have had different experiences

[CLTMDA]

No dealer in Charlotte, but we do have a Charlotte based mobile tech, just checked.

Again, for anyone interested, do your due diligence and check out the Lucid Owners forum. People love to post their problems/issues and I found it a very useful place to get information and evaluate concerns. Don't think you are the first to hear about issues or even think of the considerations. I would put my particular car and experience on par, or better, than any other car I owned. I did have some anxiety with respect to the charging network for trips in the SE US, but my wife drives a MB GLS450 so we used her car for any trips.

I don't think the Gravity has started delivery yet, but the battery/motor setup will be similar to, if not better than, the Air.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Lucid is losing about $300,000 on each car it sells.

I'm assuming this number is based on amortizing development cost by the number of cars sold? This is hardly a relevant measure and is expected. One needs to take the long view. Tesla, in a very similar situation (neglecting the original Roadster and looking from the initial Model S), started showing profits in 2020, 8 years since introducing the Model S (and carbon offset credits were a big chunk of that as well).

Originally Posted by CLTMDA

Mobile service was faster when I needed it than it is to schedule an appointment with either my local BMW or MB dealer.

The low numbers of vehicles and Lucid's desire to appease customers at any cost probably contribute to that. I doubt this can be sustained if Lucid sells tens of thousands of cars a year. On the other hand, by then one can hope they can offer more service centers.

Originally Posted by CLTMDA

There are literally millions of people that do not have any dealership other than those that sell primarily trucks close to them, but still drive a car without a dealership close to them. One example off the top of my head is owning a Mini in New Orleans (as my son does). The BMW dealership there will not service it and the closest Mini dealership is in Pensacola or Houston.

But any lube shop can do basic service on an ICE car, and there might not be a dealer but most independent mechanics can handle most cars. To your example, I doubt a BMW independent will refuse to work on a Mini, or that your son couldn't find a Euro-specificized independent for service and troubleshooting. For most EVs, particularly from newer companies, one will be hard pressed to find an alternative to the dealer (Tesla is seeing some independents offering service, so the market is there).