[dfox]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Sainz is overrated. Faster car and has yet to do anything with it.

This forum is full of hot takes, and they are all wrong.

I can't decide if this is a troll account, a humor account, or someone who is just delewlew...

Either way, you sure do know how to stir a pot.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Looking into it further this is a report done solely by the BBC alone so hardly an element of truth in it as trackside officer Mike Krack was on the pit wall and didn't hear anything of the sort.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lance-...hdrawal-temper

Peculiar story: Stroll left Q2 without following the mandatory weighing procedure and didn't face the race stewards twice.

Further to rumors that Stroll had a tantrum inside the garage after Q2 (allegedly "damaging equipment in the garage" and "swearing at team members"), an Aston Martin spokesperson said: "Lance was upset". That was later denied by Aston Martin.

Race stewards ordered Stroll to explain during a hearing, scheduled on Saturday post qualies, why he had ignored the weighing procedure. Stroll didn't show up in person - he sent a team delegate: "medical condition". Race stewards waited until Stroll was medically fit to be heard. Later that Saturday evening, Aston Martin informed that Stroll wouldn't participate to the Spanish GP the next day due to his "medical condition". Race stewards didn't back off and scheduled a new hearing in the morning of race day to hear Stroll. Again, Stroll didn't show up in person - he sent a delegate again: "medical condition". Race stewards got presented the 2023 injuries explanation.

That begs the question why Stroll decided not to face the race stewards twice. Reports don't claim that Stroll was in a coma or intensive car or undergoing surgery at that moment + pain killers exist + if need be, a wheel chair can be offered to participate to a hearing ordered by the race stewards.

The possibility of self-inflicted new hand injuries by smashing equipment in the garage with his fragile hand (2023 hand injuries), is not incompatible with the official "medical condition" version presented by Aston Martin to the race stewards of sudden serious injuries that prevented Stroll from even attending both hearings and skipping the Spanish GP. Couldn't Stroll have simply shown up at the Sunday morning hearing with an impressive bandage, a cast or a brace, complaining to the race stewards that he's sustaining agonizing pain since Q2. He didn't attend: "medical advice" ? Race stewards would have questioned him about the sequence of events after Q2.

Anyways, if it's all that critically dramatic, let's wait and see if Stroll will be declared medically fit to race his home race in Canada (13-15 June). The latest news by Aston Martin: they hope he can, but don't know for now.

Here's the BBC article:

Stroll misses Spanish GP with injury after losing temper
Andrew Benson - 1 June 2025
https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/a...s/c14kmj8rd87o
Aston Martin driver Lance Stroll missed the Spanish Grand Prix with injury, in the aftermath of losing his temper in the team's garage.
The Canadian is said by sources to have damaged equipment in the garage and sworn at team members after being eliminated at the end of the second qualifying session, in which he was 0.535 seconds slower than team-mate Fernando Alonso.
Asked to confirm Stroll had lost his temper in this way, an Aston Martin spokesperson said: "Lance was upset."
The spokesperson said the injury and the episode in the garage were unrelated.
An Aston Martin source later denied anything was broken or that Stroll swore at colleagues.
Aston Martin said Stroll would miss the Spanish Grand Prix because he "had been experiencing pain in his hand and wrist".
The team said Stroll's medical consultant believed the discomfort was related to an operation he had in early 2023, when he broke both wrists in a cycling accident.
Stroll is to have an operation in an attempt to rectify the problem.
The situation puts his participation in his home race in Montreal on 13-15 June in doubt.
If Stroll were to miss the race, it is not clear who would replace him, as reserve drivers Felipe Drugovich and Stoffel Vandoorne are both racing at Le Mans on the same weekend.
Stroll was investigated by governing body the FIA after he failed to go to the driver weighing scales immediately after qualifying, as is required by the regulations.
The race stewards gave him an official warning for the omission.
The stewards' verdict said: "We reviewed the video footage from the garage which showed the driver of Car 18 [Stroll] exiting the car and leaving the garage from the back and not proceeding through the pit lane as required."
The stewards wrote that Stroll had sent them a letter explaining that "the reason for failing to immediately attend the weighing was because he was in pain and sought urgent medical attention for the pain.
"He attended the weigh-in and the media pen as soon as he was able to, before heading to the medical centre for further evaluation."
This is not the first time Stroll has lost his temper as a result of a bad qualifying session.
In Qatar in 2023, he stormed out of the back of the garage and was involved in an altercation with his trainer as he left. He later apologised for the incident.

https://www.fia.com/system/files/dec..._procedure.pdf


https://www.fia.com/system/files/dec...g_weighing.pdf


https://www.fia.com/system/files/dec...ompetition.pdf


https://www.fia.com/system/files/dec...g_weighing.pdf

[minn19]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Sainz is overrated. Faster car and has yet to do anything with it.

This forum is full of hot takes, and they are all wrong.

Data doesn’t lie, Sainz was familiar with Ferraris weird culture and more importantly younger. I like Hammy a lot, but as that stupid saying goes, Father Time is undefeated……

You are the other side of the fanatical Max fans. All of you guys on the extremes of fandom let it cloud your judgement.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by dfox

I can't decide if this is a troll account, a humor account, or someone who is just delewlew...

Either way, you sure do know how to stir a pot.

I do what I can to keep the bandwidth usage up. But even my hottakes can be (but usually are not) wrong. But his take was hilariously wrong.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by minn19

Data doesn’t lie, Sainz was familiar with Ferraris weird culture and more importantly younger. I like Hammy a lot, but as that stupid saying goes, Father Time is undefeated……

You are the other side of the fanatical Max fans. All of you guys on the extremes of fandom let it cloud your judgement.

The data says that Sainz is in faster car and has failed to produce. Hamilton is year one with Ferrari and is already doing better than Sainz is. These are objective facts.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

The data says that Sainz is in faster car and has failed to produce. Hamilton is year one with Ferrari and is already doing better than Sainz is. These are objective facts.

Different take: apart from being a multiple-crowned F1 driver/legend, Hamilton is a unique "brand" too. It's a win-win for both Hamilton and Ferrari. Race wins in 2025: 'nice to have' but no 'must have'.

F1 is a big business. If it were a meritocracy, we wouldn't have seen pay drivers occupying seats of more skilled drivers who lack big financial backing. Some pay drivers became great though.
("What is an F1 pay driver? All to know about the controversial tag" - May 2, 2024:
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/wh...-tag/10605779/).

Lewis "US$7 billion in 1 day" Hamilton versus Carlos "Pobrecito" Sainz Jr.:


(source: https://ministryofsport.com/ferraris...ombshell-move/)

[minn19]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

The data says that Sainz is in faster car and has failed to produce. Hamilton is year one with Ferrari and is already doing better than Sainz is. These are objective facts.

If Williams truly is a faster car than Ferrari, I’d really like to see that data. Also you give Lewis a pass for it being his first year with Ferrari, but not Carlos for it being his first year with Williams?

The data that really matters is results. Carlos’s first nine races last year in the Ferrari resulted in 1 win, 4 podiums and 116 points. And quite a bit of that was after major surgery to remove a body part. Hamilton’s first nine races for Ferrari 1 sprint win, no real GP wins and no podiums, not even really a real chance at one. 71 points and even if you give him the 6th place DSQ points back, he’d have 79. Not apples to apples I know, but the best we have to go on.

Carlos and Lewis had fairly equal machinery last year and it was 290 for Carlos and 223 for Hammy. And that included one more DNF for Carlos (3) to Hamilton’s (2).

The only way Ferrari is winning with Hamilton right now is as Artemis said, with $$$.

[GuidoK]

[minn19]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

I do what I can to keep the bandwidth usage up. But even my hottakes can be (but usually are not) wrong. But his take was hilariously wrong.

One of my favorite things to read here is how most Max fans predict Lewis finishing lower than the he does almost every race. But the flip side of that, which is also very entertaining is how wildly off your predictions for his finishes will be.

[Chappers 71]

Summary of Carlos first year at Ferrari

In his first year with Ferrari in 2021, Carlos Sainz Jr. scored four podium finishes and finished fifth in the drivers' standings, outperforming his teammate Charles Leclerc. He had a strong start to his Ferrari career, earning points in his debut for the team. While he didn't win any races in his first year, Sainz's consistent performance earned him a contract extension

[3798j]

Gaps

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by minn19

One of my favorite things to read here is how most Max fans predict Lewis finishing lower than he does almost every race. But the flip side of that, which is also very entertaining is how wildly off your predictions for his finishes will be.

I appreciate AmuroRay's unconditional, staunch belief in the driver he admires. It's not merely about Lewis the F1 driver, but also about Lewis the person, the sacrifices he made, his determination, his resilience, his fights, his achievements, his 'bossing' successes, etc. The loyal supporter in good and bad times.

Like a dad consoling his son that, when some result wasn't what was hoped for, credit where credit is due when the son has given his level best, keep fighting, he is his #1; about setbacks, that the secret of change is to focus all of your energy not on fighting the old, but on building the new; and about obstacles, that a successful person is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks others have thrown at him.

[G30M]

article about Helmut's point of view https://f1lead.com/formula-1/verstap...fles-red-bull/

Helmut Marko admits to being skeptical about Max Verstappen’s deliberate move on George Russell. The Red Bull motorsport advisor explains what led to his driver’s frustration, which then triggered the incident in question.

“On the straight, I would say Leclerc hit Max’s car,” Marko told Servus TV. “Then came the situation with Russell. It must be said that Max knows the rules in the smallest detail. He immediately said, ‘he was out of control, and that’s why I had to go off track.’”

“The internal discussion was that it was 50-50. And since it happened just after the safety car period, the impact of a 10-second penalty is much greater than if it occurs in the middle of the race. Max didn’t want to give the position back. But he was ordered to do so, and he complied under protest.”

But the Austrian admits he didn’t understand his driver’s intentions: “Max lifted off the throttle, and we all thought he was letting Russell through. Then suddenly, he accelerated again. I don’t know what kind of misjudgment or thought process was going through his mind. And then, as they say, all hell broke loose.”

Verstappen is one penalty point away from a suspension, and Marko acknowledges that it shouldn’t have come to this: “There have already been issues in the past. It was unnecessary and a lot of points were lost. But because of all the incidents and the unfortunate bad decisions, emotions simply took over.”

It was also revealed that there was no full post-race debrief to avoid forcing the Dutch driver to revisit the race while he was “very tense. Everyone goes their own way. And when Max is in that mood, it’s best to leave him alone.”

[G30M]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Franz Hermann has been seen on video before

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Artemis

I appreciate AmuroRay's unconditional, staunch belief in the driver he admires. It's not merely about Lewis the F1 driver, but also about Lewis the person, the sacrifices he made, his determination, his resilience, his fights, his achievements, his 'bossing' successes, etc. The loyal supporter in good and bad times.

Like a dad consoling his son that, when some result wasn't what was hoped for, credit where credit is due when the son has given his level best, keep fighting, he is his #1; about setbacks, that the secret of change is to focus all of your energy not on fighting the old, but on building the new; and about obstacles, that a successful person is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks others have thrown at him.

I 100% get that, it’s a big reason why I like Lewis and his parents as well. It’s an awesome story to say the least.

I guess it’s the part where he is saying everyone else’s takes are ridiculous, when he obviously has his share of ridiculous takes based on pure fandom.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Ok right now if I was Horner I would be having GP on the carpet and asking him WTF he thought he was playing at asking MAX to hand position back to RUS. Stewards were going to ignore MAX's correct escape onto the secondary track as RUS hit and forced him into it !!!

=> https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank...ph_and_almost/

[G30M]

so Ralf has spoken. but i don't know what he's on about. play bumper car to trigger exit clause? there are easier ways to trigger such a clause!

Ralf Schumacher’s crazy theory: “And if Verstappen’s accident got into line with the clause?”:
— Ralf Schumacher questioned whether Verstappen’s clash with George Russell could be linked to an alleged exit clause in his Red Bull contract. Speaking to Sky Deutschland, he floated the idea that Verstappen may have acted intentionally to trigger the clause:
“You have to pay attention to what happened. Since there is a clause in your contract, why do things like this happen all of a sudden? Why did he take such a useless penalty? It could also be that he has made a decision and is trying to ensure that it is successful. We are in a critical phase.”
— The theory suggested Verstappen might be trying to fall out of the top three in the championship by the summer break, allowing him to leave Red Bull for 2026. He currently sits third with 137 points, 26 ahead of Russell.
— De Telegraaf added weight to the speculation, noting Verstappen’s visible agitation and lack of post-race comments from Horner, Marko, and even Toto Wolff. The Dutchman reportedly snapped after qualifying, stating:
“I wasn’t the one who said it, I never talked about the title this year.”

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

=> https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank...ph_and_almost/

More chatter here that will soon be getting on to how MAX has his boiled eggs in the morning, is it 3 minutes boil or hard boiled? and Lance sprained his wrist accidentally causing an FIA investigation
AFA MAX is concerned the decision was already made with the new hard tyres and MAX did the best with his previous go-kart on black ice experience, it's GP who should be in the POW sweat box.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by G30M

article about Helmut's point of view https://f1lead.com/formula-1/verstap...fles-red-bull/

Helmut Marko admits to being skeptical about Max Verstappen’s deliberate move on George Russell. The Red Bull motorsport advisor explains what led to his driver’s frustration, which then triggered the incident in question.

“On the straight, I would say Leclerc hit Max’s car,” Marko told Servus TV. “Then came the situation with Russell. It must be said that Max knows the rules in the smallest detail. He immediately said, ‘he was out of control, and that’s why I had to go off track.’”

“The internal discussion was that it was 50-50. And since it happened just after the safety car period, the impact of a 10-second penalty is much greater than if it occurs in the middle of the race. Max didn’t want to give the position back. But he was ordered to do so, and he complied under protest.”

But the Austrian admits he didn’t understand his driver’s intentions: “Max lifted off the throttle, and we all thought he was letting Russell through. Then suddenly, he accelerated again. I don’t know what kind of misjudgment or thought process was going through his mind. And then, as they say, all hell broke loose.”

Verstappen is one penalty point away from a suspension, and Marko acknowledges that it shouldn’t have come to this: “There have already been issues in the past. It was unnecessary and a lot of points were lost. But because of all the incidents and the unfortunate bad decisions, emotions simply took over.”

It was also revealed that there was no full post-race debrief to avoid forcing the Dutch driver to revisit the race while he was “very tense. Everyone goes their own way. And when Max is in that mood, it’s best to leave him alone.”

Stewards hadn't even ruled yet of MAX being forced off the track and RB jumped the gun asking him to 'hand the position back'.. and RUS wasn't ahead of MAX when he forced him onto the escape lane.

There is this unknown damned if you do, damned if you don't, and stewards should immediately inform a team in good time to give them a chance to tell their driver of any stewards request before a ruling (and there was none in this case) rather than the team quickly and erroneously making up its own mind radioing their driver thinking the axe will fall.

[3798j]

When asked if Verstappen had finally calmed down, Marko answered: “Yes, but that doesn’t solve our problem."
“Our car just isn’t fast enough. That bothers me even more than Max’s actions. We’re still three tenths behind McLaren.”
Can't help but marvel over how RBR has trashed their season...sure seems to have been a group effort.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by minn19

Huh? HAM is a downgrade from SAI as I have previously said and I still believe it was a mistake to replace Carlos with him. That being said, he is getting consistently decent results and they are currently in second. I like Ollie, but he hasn’t exactly lit it up at HAAS and I don’t see how you could swap them. It might be contractually impossible to do as well.

Agreed here. Sai completely had a better start last year in much less capable car. He’s better than Ham as we can see that he’s basically right in the same pace level in a slower and much worse car. Ferrari have a top 2 or 3 car and Lec is doing well with it, while Ham is not. Amuro is nearly always wrong with his guesses largely veiled in fandom - he said ham was going to win WDC (I’ve asked many times for money to be bet on this given he’s all but made a guarantee of it), Tsu was going to destroy Max (Yuki is zero for all), and then that Ham would podium in the triple header just to name a few of many - all f*cking wrong.

[G30M]

Lance may or may not race in Canada, but both AM's reserve driver will be racing that weekend, so they have to find a replacement for the replacement

nothing about smashing things in the garage at the moment

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...leftPZoIxet80o