M3 Adjuster wrote

"Merchandising "

The M4 ZCP (CP) was 19 HP more, got an improved suspension, nicer wheels, seats etc. for 5K. The M2 CS seems to be very close to this in terms of the improvements it's getting.

It's not even going to get stuff that's available on the base M4. If BMW prices this over the M4, it would seem like a real rip off.

Got on the next GT4 wait list at an MSRP dealership in case BMW does not offer a manual transmission or prices the CS unreasonably.

Gatte wrote

M3 Adjuster wrote

"Merchandising "

The M4 ZCP (CP) was 19 HP more, got an improved suspension, nicer wheels, seats etc. for 5K. The M2 CS seems to be very close to this in terms of the improvements it's getting.

It's not even going to get stuff that's available on the base M4. If BMW prices this over the M4, it would seem like a real rip off.

Got on the next GT4 wait list at an MSRP dealership in case BMW does not offer a manual transmission or prices the CS unreasonably.

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1354762


The M2 PE began at 61,xxx. I'll presume the DCT was another 3k of course as well. That's 65k for the *faster * version.


An M2 CS will have the PE treatment plus what ?? And stay under $69k? Let's even remove the $3k in performance center classes that's tacked into the PE.. that gets you back to the 61k amount. I don't see an S55 also dropping in there as well for 69k. It would be really nice though.

I wonder how much will an M4 CS be versus the M5 which runs $94 k. As a matter of fact.. at 69k to 134k from M4 to M4 GTS.. the M5 starts right in the lower middle ... M6 gets the upper... Overlap much ??

M3 Adjuster wrote

Apparently you have zero experience in sales?

Ever look at X1 pricing vs 3 series pricing. The models all but lay on top of each other like stair steps.

Of *course * the cayman GT4 overlaps with the 911. A 911 begins at around 90k. Add a carbon fiber brake handle As an option and the GT4 is into 911 territory.

Not to mention you can likely make a helluva deal on a lower end 911 after the salesman has stepped you away from the GT4 with 16k in options.

All day

As Gatte mentioned, base price is what is being compared here. Options can always be added to any model to vary their price, that is a null point. As far as your comparison, 3 series vs X1, they are completely different cars in different segments... don't know how you can even remotely make that analogous to the M2 CS and the M4, which are both performance coupes with exactly the same drive train. Sure, one is slightly larger, but their target demographic is quite similar. And to answer your question, yes, I am in sales, though not cars... something a bit more technical and lucrative

M3 Adjuster wrote

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I wonder how much will an M4 CS be versus the M5 which runs $94 k. As a matter of fact.. at 69k to 134k from M4 to M4 GTS.. the M5 starts right in the lower middle ... M6 gets the upper... Overlap much ??

Again, I'm not sure you understand how marketing works. The cars you list are vastly different. Different segments and different target demographics. No one is cross shopping an M4 GTS and M6, so again null point.

M3 Adjuster wrote

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1354762


The M2 PE began at 61,xxx. I'll presume the DCT was another 3k of course as well. That's 65k for the *faster * version.


An M2 CS will have the PE treatment plus what ?? And stay under $69k? Let's even remove the $3k in performance center classes that's tacked into the PE.. that gets you back to the 61k amount. I don't see an S55 also dropping in there as well for 69k. It would be really nice though.

I wonder how much will an M4 CS be versus the M5 which runs $94 k. As a matter of fact.. at 69k to 134k from M4 to M4 GTS.. the M5 starts right in the lower middle ... M6 gets the upper... Overlap much ??

Well in that case, I've bought my last BMW for a while. I hear there will be an allocation opening up for an M2 CS near Ciudad Juarez.
Also, one less allocation for the next manual GT4 near Tijuana.

Seriously though, the M2 PE was a North America (USA) offering much like the M4 CS in Spain and hence cannot be compared to the competition pack (ZCP) on the base M4. So here:
M4 (Base) = M2 (Base)
M4 CP = M2 ????
M4 CS (Spain) = M2 PE

The maximum that the M2 PE is going to cost in the US will be 70K as long as it does not get the GTS/CSL treatment. It will not be more. We can check back and see who was right.

Gatte wrote

M3 Adjuster wrote

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1354762


The M2 PE began at 61,xxx. I'll presume the DCT was another 3k of course as well. That's 65k for the *faster * version.


An M2 CS will have the PE treatment plus what ?? And stay under $69k? Let's even remove the $3k in performance center classes that's tacked into the PE.. that gets you back to the 61k amount. I don't see an S55 also dropping in there as well for 69k. It would be really nice though.

I wonder how much will an M4 CS be versus the M5 which runs $94 k. As a matter of fact.. at 69k to 134k from M4 to M4 GTS.. the M5 starts right in the lower middle ... M6 gets the upper... Overlap much ??

Well in that case, I've bought my last BMW for a while. I hear there will be an allocation opening up for an M2 CS near Ciudad Juarez.
Also, one less allocation for the next manual GT4 near Tijuana.

Seriously though, the M2 PE was a North America (USA) offering much like the M4 CS in Spain. So here:
M4 (Base) = M2 (Base)
M4 CP = M2 ????
M4 CS (Spain) = M2 PE

The maximum that the M2 PE is going to cost in the US will be 70K as long as it does not get the GTS/CSL treatment. It will not be more. We can check back and see who was right.

Sounds like a plan:thumbsup:

So if a Cayman R was $66K US and the Cayman GT4 was $84K.. I wonder where that puts a 718 GT4?

M3 Adjuster wrote

Sounds like a plan:thumbsup:

So if a Cayman R was $66K US and the Cayman GT4 was $84K.. I wonder where that puts a 718 GT4?

M3 Adjuster wrote

Sounds like a plan:thumbsup:

So if a Cayman R was $66K US and the Cayman GT4 was $84K.. I wonder where that puts a cayman GT4.2 or whatever ..

The Cayman GTS was 76K and the GT4 was 84K. The next GT4 if it's not an RS, would be in the 90K range. I am just guessing that based on the way the GT3 prices have changed from generation to generation.

New to porsches and really did not think about them much till ynguldyn confirmed that there most probably won't be a manual transmission in the M2 CS.

Gatte wrote

The Cayman GTS was 76K and the GT4 was 84K. The next GT4 if it's not an RS, would be in the 90K range. I am just guessing that based on the way the GT3 prices have changed from generation to generation.

Porsche tested the waters with the GT4. Expect the next gen GT4 to come with a "premium". Sales won't be a problem.

BMW M experienced that nowadays model variants sell easily (well, at least especially to dealers and speculators: see for example the M4 GTS being "sold out quickly" - you still can get one if you want). Have you seen the M4 CS base price compared to the base M4, and what you (won't) get for it if you skip the options list ? Quite more than just a few grand extra.

Well, I am now on a M2CS list at my dealer here in Texas. Not sure how defined that is consider there is little to no info about the car's cost or details. But I'm in the market, fine waiting and just didn't want to end up getting a '18M2 in Q3/2017 only to find out there is something notably better in Q2/2018. Now, part of why I was willing to do this is because my dealer, one of the largest BMW dealers in the country, insists this car will come in under $65K. I believe it'll end up under $70K, but since I was kinda thinking about a $64K PE, waiting and getting the S55 for a few more seems reasonable. I guess we'll find out if the dealer is right. (but, they make that claim as if they've been told something they can't publicly confirm) - I'd add I could have easily taken an allocation for a LCI M2 for August, and they were almost pushing me in the direction I ended up. We'll see.

It would definitely help if they let us know around when the M2CS will be release. I plan to have the CTR and TTRS but may pass on one if the M2CS arrives early next year.

gtr wrote

It would definitely help if they let us know around when the M2CS will be release. I plan to have the CTR and TTRS but may pass on one if the M2CS arrives early next year.

Below: screenshot shows that the M2 CS is scheduled to go into production in March 2018 at the BMW Leipzig factory (source: here).

Hence, on European roads late Spring 2018.

Artemis wrote

Hence, on European roads late Spring 2018.

Thanks, so I'm going to guess July/Aug/Sept delivery for us. I should be ok if I can get the other cars now.

gtr wrote

Thanks, so I'm going to guess July/Aug/Sept delivery for us. I should be ok if I can get the other cars now.

In case you missed an earlier post that Bimmerpost singled out as separate thread:

• January 2018: M2 CS ordering process starts
• March 2018: M2 CS goes into production | S55 engine | 410 hp | no limited edition
• March 2019: M2 GTS goes into production | S55 engine | 450 hp | limited edition/production (the '999' figure has been heard, but could change)
  (sources: here, here and here).

As regards the US I think having read in a comment that the M2 CS will be MY2019 (Summer 2018). Thus on European roads in Spring 2018 and on US roads in Summer 2018.

Time will tell whether this info was accurate or not. Anyways, to my eyes the screenshot looks genuine. No screenshot of the 2019 production schedule, but the person who posted that screenshot commented that the M2 GTS is scheduled with "03/19" as start of production date (SOP). Dropping off the production schedule list is not impossible, but unlikely. And once a model gets an SOP, efforts are made to meet the deadline.

No new spyshots or information on M2 CS updates ??.

I thought it'll pick up more steam as we got closer to reveal. Seems to be going the other way.

Gatte wrote

No new spyshots or information on M2 CS updates ??.

I thought it'll pick up more steam as we got closer to reveal. Seems to be going the other way.

BMW probably doesn't want to steal thunder from the M4 CS. We will probably get more once the M4 CS has gone through all the journalist rounds and they have received their initial orders.

It might make sense that they do a reveal sooner rather than later if there will be significant visual updates to body. I'm surprised that the front bumper has been hidden for so long.

I think I will take my 2018 build slot with Dinan upgrades...just in case it's not enough, I have kept my CS slot as well. May have a Dinan m2 for sale in mid 2018

Artemis wrote

gtr wrote

Thanks, so I'm going to guess July/Aug/Sept delivery for us. I should be ok if I can get the other cars now.

In case you missed an earlier post that Bimmerpost singled out as separate thread:

• January 2018: M2 CS ordering process starts
• March 2018: M2 CS goes into production | S55 engine | 410 hp | no limited edition
• March 2019: M2 GTS goes into production | S55 engine | 450 hp | limited edition/production (the '999' figure has been heard, but could change)
  (sources: here, here and here).

As regards the US I think having read in a comment that the M2 CS will be MY2019 (Summer 2018). Thus on European roads in Spring 2018 and on US roads in Summer 2018.

Time will tell whether this info was accurate or not. Anyways, to my eyes the screenshot looks genuine. No screenshot of the 2019 production schedule, but the person who posted that screenshot commented that the M2 GTS is scheduled with "03/19" as start of production date (SOP). Dropping off the production schedule list is not impossible, but unlikely. And once a model gets an SOP, efforts are made to meet the deadline.

If I had 1000 chances at an M2 GTS or an M2 CS ... I would put 999 tickets in the M2 GTS bucket and one in the CS..

It will be interesting to see how much better the M2 GTS will be be the m4 GTS. I will say that with all of the initial bad press. I'm reading a few forum posts that reference the reviews were performed on cars that were not properly set up for the track.

I don't think it's fair to judge the GTS on street performance as that was not it's design or intention.

Agree with above, it will no doubt be at least a few weeks before any more snippets of M2 CS info.

M4 CS needs time in the light to shine.

Artemis wrote

In case you missed an earlier post that Bimmerpost singled out as separate thread:

• January 2018: M2 CS ordering process starts
• March 2018: M2 CS goes into production | S55 engine | 410 hp | no limited edition
• March 2019: M2 GTS goes into production | S55 engine | 450 hp | limited edition/production (the '999' figure has been heard, but could change)
  (sources: here, here and here).

As regards the US I think having read in a comment that the M2 CS will be MY2019 (Summer 2018). Thus on European roads in Spring 2018 and on US roads in Summer 2018.

Time will tell whether this info was accurate or not. Anyways, to my eyes the screenshot looks genuine. No screenshot of the 2019 production schedule, but the person who posted that screenshot commented that the M2 GTS is scheduled with "03/19" as start of production date (SOP). Dropping off the production schedule list is not impossible, but unlikely. And once a model gets an SOP, efforts are made to meet the deadline.

ok.. So.. I've made some WAG predictions.. but with your post here.. i'm sure I'm just in an echo chamber.. but i fell like i very well could be spot on.... Gatte and others have been asking what evidence is there... so i got bored for a minute and got my babelfish on and checked out those threads.. ( a lot easier task from a desktop... word to the wise)

First there is this..

Produktionsstart soll 03/2018 sein. Bestellbar ab 01/2018.
Warteliste gibt es keine. First come, first serve
Mein hat über die Stückzahl noch keine Info, aber es gibt schon jetzt eine extreme Nachfrage.

Production start should be 03/2018. Available from 01/2018.
Warteliste there is none. First come, first serve
My has the number of pieces no info, but there is already an extreme demand.


and the response when the obvious question of price..

Mit S55 und >400 PS vermutlich >10K mehr als der F87

With S55 and> 400 hp presumably> 10K more than the F87

10K Euro... $10K?

then on one of the other pages..


M2 = N55 (vorerst noch)
M2 CS = S55 (auf 410 PS "gedrosselt")
M2 GTS = S55 (450 PS)



M2 = N55 (for the time being)
M2 CS = S55 (limited to 410 hp "throttled")
M2 GTS = S55 (450 hp)


Der M2 CS ist jedenfalls für 03/2018 gesetzt...

Ebenso ist der M2 GTS für 03/2019 gesetzt- aktuell spricht man von einer Limitierung auf 999 Einheiten.

The M2 CS is set for 03/2018 ...

Likewise, the M2 GTS is set for 03/2019 - currently one speaks of a limitation to 999 units.

now that sounds kinda like some of my own wet dreams..

BlacMacJac wrote

Well, I am now on a M2CS list at my dealer here in Texas. Not sure how defined that is consider there is little to no info about the car's cost or details. But I'm in the market, fine waiting and just didn't want to end up getting a '18M2 in Q3/2017 only to find out there is something notably better in Q2/2018. Now, part of why I was willing to do this is because my dealer, one of the largest BMW dealers in the country, insists this car will come in under $65K. I believe it'll end up under $70K, but since I was kinda thinking about a $64K PE, waiting and getting the S55 for a few more seems reasonable. I guess we'll find out if the dealer is right. (but, they make that claim as if they've been told something they can't publicly confirm) - I'd add I could have easily taken an allocation for a LCI M2 for August, and they were almost pushing me in the direction I ended up. We'll see.

It sounds like someone at your dealer has been drinking the same tea....? if they are confident that the M2 CS will come in at around 65K that would be right around 10K over a DCT equipped base M2. If indeed the S55 motor were to come into the base car.. (since the M4 will carry on far past the M2 anyway.... ) then the CS could likely come equipped similar to the PE edition,.. with some additional aero tweaks.. and fit at that 65K mark.. I'd personally love to see this come out first..

Then.. an M2 GTS.. (or should I say Moto GP safety car ?) but "saddled" with a sloth like 6MT.... don't forget to also include the already fabricated and for sale @IND roll cage ... (again-- more weight to slow it down versus big brother ) ... and you know what .. it's your call BMW on the water injection but I would just as soon leave it off.. cuz we do need to keep this thing marginally slower than the M4 GTS.

I am already all IN.

Interesting comment at the tail end.


http://www.cars.co.za/motoring_news/preview-bmw-m2-cs-coming-in-2018/43492

medphysdave wrote

Interesting comment at the tail end.
http://www.cars.co.za/motoring_news/preview-bmw-m2-cs-coming-in-2018/43492

Interesting. But not read that somewhere else so far.

ynguldyn wrote

The following is as precise and explicit as I can be on this subject:
All of the 40+ production spec M2 CS built by now are DCT.

M2 GTS test mules ?