I'm tired of waiting, Can't handle the anxiety anymore haha.

Almost bought the facelift RS3 sportback the other day (they have made the front end lighter, reviews indicate its more fun now and the 400hp motor is awesome. But its still no drivers car like an M) the discount I got here in Australia makes it possibly about $40,000 cheaper than what the CS might be. But I'm worried I will make the wrong decision when the Comp or CS comes out.

So... I think I will lease a new Golf R on 3 yrs. Then at the 2 or 3 yr mark get the CS. Whats the expected production run on it 2018 - 2020? Maybe I could pick one up when all the hype dies down and get the last year run?

I was at the dealership today to finalize the paperwork for my LCI, and happened to ask about the Competition Package with my sales associate.

He corroborated the information about new wheels, but couldn't confirm anything about new seats.

In Canada, he says it's looking like it will be about $20,000 CAD more than the current base M2 price (he said it would be around $85K CAD).

Something new he also shared was that the windshield HUD would be an option.

walrus wrote

I was at the dealership today to finalize the paperwork for my LCI, and happened to ask about the Competition Package with my sales associate.

He corroborated the information about new wheels, but couldn't confirm anything about new seats.

In Canada, he says it's looking like it will be about $20,000 CAD more than the current base M2 price (he said it would be around $85K CAD).

Something new he also shared was that the windshield HUD would be an option.

Your sales associate doesn’t know anything about the Competiton. It isn’t a package anyways, it is a new model.

BlackJetE90 wrote

Your sales associate doesn’t know anything about the Competiton. It isn’t a package anyways, it is a new model.

I don't see how discrediting him based on the semantics of "package" is justified given the information that was relayed.

Hazey82 wrote

I'm tired of waiting, Can't handle the anxiety anymore haha.

Almost bought the facelift RS3 sportback the other day (they have made the front end lighter, reviews indicate its more fun now and the 400hp motor is awesome. But its still no drivers car like an M) the discount I got here in Australia makes it possibly about $40,000 cheaper than what the CS might be. But I'm worried I will make the wrong decision when the Comp or CS comes out.

So... I think I will lease a new Golf R on 3 yrs. Then at the 2 or 3 yr mark get the CS. Whats the expected production run on it 2018 - 2020? Maybe I could pick one up when all the hype dies down and get the last year run?

Yes it looks like 2020 will be the last year run for the M2 model with the CSL version launch just before. You can manage having a CS at that moment.

The Golf R can be a very good compromise until you get a CS.

walrus wrote

I was at the dealership today to finalize the paperwork for my LCI, and happened to ask about the Competition Package with my sales associate.

He corroborated the information about new wheels, but couldn't confirm anything about new seats.

In Canada, he says it's looking like it will be about $20,000 CAD more than the current base M2 price (he said it would be around $85K CAD).

Something new he also shared was that the windshield HUD would be an option.

$20k more I was expecting 15k but not 20k .
I should save more money. Santa claus will not be happy about that.

walrus wrote

I don't see how discrediting him based on the semantics of "package" is justified given the information that was relayed.

Wasn’t anything about semantics. Just like any salesman at any BMW dealership, they think they know things...but they really don’t.

BlackJetE90 wrote

Wasn’t anything about semantics. Just like any salesman at any BMW dealership, they think they know things...but they really don’t.

sounds like some posters too though

Bibs67 wrote

Yes it looks like 2020 will be the last year run for the M2 model with the CSL version launch just before. You can manage having a CS at that moment.

The Golf R can be a very good compromise until you get a CS.


$20k more I was expecting 15k but not 20k .
I should save more money. Santa claus will not be happy about that.

$20k more in Canadian dollars. $85k Canadian lines up with the guesses around here of a $60k-$65k US dollars base.

walrus wrote

I was at the dealership today to finalize the paperwork for my LCI, and happened to ask about the Competition Package with my sales associate.
He corroborated the information about new wheels, but couldn't confirm anything about new seats.
In Canada, he says it's looking like it will be about $20,000 CAD more than the current base M2 price (he said it would be around $85K CAD).
Something new he also shared was that the windshield HUD would be an option.

Thanks.

If we compare that info with what's indicated in leaked "M2 Competition" VIN build sheets (see here):

• the 'M2 Competition' is no "package" or "Competition Package" (ZCP); this car got its own designation: 2U71 for EUR-spec LHD, 2U72 for EUR-spec RHD and 2U73 for USA-spec; 'M2 Competition' is indicated each time, instead of 'M2 CS';
• wheels: black 437M stock (same as base M2) - 788M optional (new wheel) (option 2QT);
• seats: sports seats stock (code 481) (same as base M2) - M Sports seats optional (option 712);
• pricing: no info yet, but we may reasonably expect a price-increase compared to the base M2 price (engine change [from N55 to S55] - 40hp power bump [from 370hp to 410hp]);
• windshield head-up display: the HUD option (BMW option code 610) doesn't feature in any of the leaked VIN build sheets.

To be fair, I ain't saying that HUD won't be available for the 'M2 Competition'. But I do know that it doesn't feature in any of the leaked VIN build sheets (no trace of option 610). Hence the assumption that - until stated otherwise by BMW - a HUD won't be available for the 'M2 Competition'.

Same goes for the repeated claim that Mineral Grey (paint code B39) will also be available as color for the 'M2 Competition' (see recently for example here and here): if that info comes straight from BMW, then that claim should be considered to be accurate, of course. However, do know that none of the 'M2 Competition' test mules got the Mineral Grey body color - all known cars either got AW, BSM, LBB, Sunset O or HS body colors. Therefore also here the assumption that - until stated otherwise by BMW - Mineral Grey won't be available for the 'M2 Competition'. Hockenheim Silver is expected to be the 'M2 Competition' launch color.

This begs more generally the question whether we can infer from 'M2 Competition' VIN build sheets how that car will be powered and equipped. IMHO, as its genuine information straight from the horse's mouth, it gives us at least a better idea than hard-to-verify rumors. As said before: alike hips, VINs don't lie.

Good summary Artemis...When seagulls follow the trawler it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.

infinitekid2002 wrote

Good summary Artemis...When seagulls follow the trawler it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.

Looking forward to BMW finally releasing its 'M2 Competition' press release, ending quite a lot of speculation about that car.

Subsequently the 'speculation mill' will change direction towards the M2 CSL winds.

Today's newspaper wraps tomorrow's fish.

When does it come out? Just a SWAG

damills wrote

When does it come out? Just a SWAG

FWIW, here's a post of February 2016. Outdated, maybe.

Artemis wrote

M3 Adjuster wrote

I'm gonna go on record and say there will NOT be an S55 in an M2 period.

Allow me to dig up that record again in, say, Autumn 2017.

Artemis wrote

FWIW, here's a post of February 2016. Outdated, maybe.

Isn't there a big car show in the first week of December? That's still autumn, correct?

tke743 wrote

Isn't there a big car show in the first week of December? That's still autumn, correct?

The M2 was officially presented on October 14, 2015 and on public display during car shows in January 2016.

So let's distinguish 'reveal' and 'car show presentation'.

By the way, FWIW, last month there were also these two posts in this thread by forum fellow MR. hinting to Winter 2017-2018 for reveal (January/February 2018) and car show presentation (mentioning the Geneva International Motor Show = March 8-18, 2018):

MR. wrote

///twinTurbo wrote

Any info about the online presentation?
When will it be? :/

The rumors I hear around me are Geneva Motor Show official reveal to the market, that would mean end of January, early February press release reveal and us dropping our orders.
Production starting after Geneva, like end of April or early May... Building up stock like they did with M2 and M4 GTS, and then push the first batch out in one go somewhere end of June, early July...
If you look at previous releases that seems to be the way to go. M3 CS would then be the Detroit and Brussels release together with e.g. the X2, X4 could be at Geneva as well, X7 at Shanghai. i8 and i8 facelift are clearly LA together with the facelifted BMW 2 Series Active Divorce. The Grand Divorce is EOP (luckily).
The other stuff follows later, but this could well be the first part of the year.
MR

MR. wrote

Chako wrote

Thanks for the info MR, is the Geneva show not in March however?
Edit: Or are you saying the press reveal will be late January, with it appearing March in the flesh?

Yup it is in March. Press reveal is late January/early February. Look at 5-Series touring which was shown at this year's Geneva show. Same thing!
Geneva would be the public reveal at a car show.
MR

Let's wait and see.

Artemis wrote

The M2 was officially presented on October 14, 2015 and on public display during car shows in January 2016.

So let's distinguish 'reveal' and 'car show presentation'.

By the way, FWIW, last month there were also these two posts by forum fellow MR. in this thread hinting to Winter 2017-2018 for reveal (January/February 2018) and car show presentation (mentioning the Geneva International Motor Show = March 8-18, 2018):

Let's wait and see.

I hope it’s earlier, but it looks like I actually have to be in Geneva March 10-15. Might make that trip much more fun.

I hope you are right and the M2 Competition will make its first public reveal during Geneva Motor Show, just because I'm living in the area.
But in fact, what you are saying about press release on late January/February and first deliveries during summer make sense to me. Hopefully, if this is accurate, it will be quite a good timing for me.

Off-topic, last saturday I saw a Sunset Orange M140i at my dealership. It blew my mind. First time I saw one and it is definitely such an amazing color. I totally forget I was there at first to check on the M2.
Can I post few pics of this M140i? Or maybe in the other M2 Competition thread?

Bibs67 wrote

I hope you are right and the M2 Competition will make its first public reveal during Geneva Motor Show, just because I'm living in the area.
But in fact, what you are saying about press release on late January/February and first deliveries during summer make sense to me. Hopefully, if this is accurate, it will be quite a good timing for me.

Forum fellow MR. quoted that timing.

IMHO would be cool if BMW M posts some kind of prequel with M2 Competition test mules, alike the 1M test drives offered to Chris Harris back in 2010:

• 14 July 2010: Chris Harris on board with Frank Isenberg (BMW M) at the
  (Spain);
• 2 November 2010: Chris Harris posts a video of
  (Germany).

As we speak, still no official news whatsoever from BMW or BMW M about any M2 variant. Compare with the reconstruction of the 1M marketing timeline: see here.

Wife and i just put down a deposit at our local bmw dealer. The latest information on price is that its going to be approximately 40-50% more than the base m2. Which puts it a few points more than base m3.

Artemis wrote

Forum fellow MR. quoted that timing.

The M3 CS was revealed today, much sooner than expected and way off from what was quoted.

Gatte wrote

The M3 CS was revealed today, much sooner than expected and way off from what was quoted.

Initially, it surprised me as well, but then I thought didn't we get the M2 reveal around the same time in 2015 and then the car was shown to the public at Brussels and Detroit for the very first time and not at the LA Motor Show. I still think the public reveal of that thing is ment to be in the Detroit and Brussels.

For now LA is all about BMW i, with the new i8 and i8 Roadster. They will also show the X2 there. Also showing the M3 could well be a bit too much, but I think they will not. The M2 also passed by the LA show two years ago, and I think BMW wants to fully focus on the new M5 which will have its first official debut in the US market at the LA show.

I still believe the M2 Competition release is January/February and then Geneva official reveal.

MR

MR. wrote

...I still believe the M2 Competition release is January/February and then Geneva official reveal...MR

I'm inclined to agree now. I thought the reveal process was initially more akin to the 1M but doesn't seem that way now. So Geneva seems to make sense.