RIP 2020 Supra owners lol. Y'all got dicked.

Well Toyota dealers are doing their best not to sell Supras.

I called on 5 dealers in NY - all had same answers:
- No test drive until you agree to purchase the car with approved credit app
- No discount off MSRP

Then companies wonder why these cars sit on the lot causing automakers to eventually discontinue them. I hope everyone gets rid of dealerships and goes Tesla route.

R N M wrote

Well Toyota dealers are doing their best not to sell Supras.

I called on 5 dealers in NY - all had same answers:
- No test drive until you agree to purchase the car with approved credit app
- No discount off MSRP

Then companies wonder why these cars sit on the lot causing automakers to eventually discontinue them. I hope everyone gets rid of dealerships and goes Tesla route.

Strange, I see 7 cars listed below 50k on cars.com on the East Coast. A bunch of others for a little over.

R N M wrote

Well Toyota dealers are doing their best not to sell Supras.

I called on 5 dealers in NY - all had same answers:
- No test drive until you agree to purchase the car with approved credit app
- No discount off MSRP

Then companies wonder why these cars sit on the lot causing automakers to eventually discontinue them. I hope everyone gets rid of dealerships and goes Tesla route.

It's the same garbage the Ford dealers pulled with the Focus RS.

I went and drove a new Mustang GT, Camaro SS 1LE, and new STi, back at the very end of '17 because I wanted to buy a new car.

Go to two different Ford dealers, they wouldn't let me drive the car unless I had already signed the paperwork.........even then he said, "Once you sign the paperwork, I can let you drive it around the block, and if you don't like it we can come back and tear up the paperwork."

Sorry chief, I'm not signing the paperwork on a $45k car that I can't take for a test drive.

It's absolutely NUTS. There is a GT350 down the road, the ford dealer won't let me drive it. It's 4 years old,it's not a Ferrari. How do I know I want the car if I cannot drive it??

theEZV wrote

Strange, I see 7 cars listed below 50k on cars.com on the East Coast. A bunch of others for a little over.

Yes im sure i can go to NJ and buy one if I was 100% sold on the car. I was hoping to test drive one locally rather than waste $50 on tolls and whole day doing the cat/mouse act with dealer.

All these local dealers to me have at least 3 each collecting dust.
The lady yesterday told me its a RACECAR so you can’t test drive it LOL. 😂

Don’t even get me started on the Ford dealers with the GT350s.

A quick look at Autotrader shows 573 new listing nationwide.

Locally, within 100 miles of Houston we have 6. 4 still being listed at MSRP and 2 with $2k and $4k off.

I've said this before, but I understand the dealer trepidation in providing test drives. It costs the dealer time and wear on the vehicles. Plus the big issue really is usually the consumer doesn't reward the dealer who does provide the test drives and will go buy the car from the dealer who didn't provide the test drive as soon as they see a $50 lower price. That's why the dealer wants some assurance that the time will be well spent.

I also would demand a test drive if I were buying a vehicle. The thing is I'd work with the dealer to assure them that I'd value the fact that they provided said test drive. While I wouldn't sign anything, I'd have a discussion as to how I display I'm serious and would appreciate their providing a test drive. I perceive a big part of the problem is many consumers feel entitled to a test drive and will openly say the test drive doesn't influence WHERE they buy the car.

Dog Face Pony Soldier wrote

I've said this before, but I understand the dealer trepidation in providing test drives. It costs the dealer time and wear on the vehicles. Plus the big issue really is usually the consumer doesn't reward the dealer who does provide the test drives and will go buy the car from the dealer who didn't provide the test drive as soon as they see a $50 lower price. That's why the dealer wants some assurance that the time will be well spent.

This is why the dealer model doesn’t work at all.

Tesla gave me 1hr test drive alone and their cars are way faster than a Supra even.

In 3years, Toyota will make their typical statement about Supra being discontinued due to low sales. Well how many clients did your dealers turn off with no test drives and no haggle attitude.

This is not some rare car that will be bought with only Zero miles. If it has 50-100miles on the odometer - that should be acceptable. Not to mention they have 2021 models coming soon.

R N M wrote

Dog Face Pony Soldier wrote

I've said this before, but I understand the dealer trepidation in providing test drives. It costs the dealer time and wear on the vehicles. Plus the big issue really is usually the consumer doesn't reward the dealer who does provide the test drives and will go buy the car from the dealer who didn't provide the test drive as soon as they see a $50 lower price. That's why the dealer wants some assurance that the time will be well spent.

This is why the dealer model doesn't work at all.

Tesla gave me 1hr test drive alone and their cars are way faster than a Supra even.

In 3years, Toyota will make their typical statement about Supra being discontinued due to low sales. Well how many clients did your dealers turn off with no test drives and no haggle attitude.

This is not some rare car that will be bought with only Zero miles. If it has 50-100miles on the odometer - that should be acceptable. Not to mention they have 2021 models coming soon.

We all would want a lower price for any vehicle that was used to provide test drives so I don't even have to ask you. That simple reality, along with consumers putting near-zero value in a dealer providing a test drive is what is behind these decisions. All consumers have to do is somehow provide confidence to the dealer that they would give business to the dealer that provides the test drive and you'll likely be handed the keys. Further, you can negotiate the terms of the sale (price) before the test drive. That would display your seriousness and show loyalty to the dealer providing the test drive.

If you find value in a test drive then show it and reward the dealer that provides one.

That's true from a dealership's perspective. Lot's of tire kickers or joy riders ruining the gig for more seriously interested people.

In fact, you can't (legally) give these modern performance cars a proper test drive unless it's on a track. Sure you can see how well they handle potholes or 90 degree right turns, I'm sure the dealer would love that.

freakystyly wrote

That's true from a dealership's perspective. Lot's of tire kickers or joy riders ruining the gig for more seriously interested people.

In fact, you can't (legally) give these modern performance cars a proper test drive unless it's on a track. Sure you can see how well they handle potholes or 90 degree right turns, I'm sure the dealer would love that.

Actually I've been considering a 2021 Supra 3.0 and am genuinely curious what it's like to just drive down the highway at 75mph. One of the things I appreciate with my BMW is its long legs. I'd need to feel comfortable the Supra shares this trait. Also, I'm curious as to what the ride is like. So part of my assurance to my local dealer would include that I'm already confident in the Supra's speed and handling... I just need to gain a comfort level in what it is like during normal cruising.

R N M wrote

Tesla gave me 1hr test drive alone and their cars are way faster than a Supra even.

This statement applies to most cars currently being sold, just not the Zupra

I agree there are a lot of tyre kickers and I may well be one i really don't know about a gt350 unless i drive one , and a good decent drive at that. It's a very unique car. It's chicken and egg.

yeah kinda sucks they don't really allow test drives. maybe they should come up with a plan like $100 to test drive the vehicle for 15 minutes. If you buy the car you get that money taken off the list price?

I can see some buyers being very picky though. I mean if a new gt3/911 turbo was on a lot and had over 200 miles on it there would be some questions and i'd probably rather just order new.

they can always do a "supra" tour like M town where the MFG takes their own cars and allow people who are interested to sing up and drive it on a predetermine course
A lot of my friends became BMW owners because of events like BMW UDE and M town

So not all dealers are the same. One guy from CA said all they did was take this DL and insurance info and just gave him the keys for a hour test drive.

A guy from VA said his dealer needed to run his credit before letting him go for a spin on his own.

Mean while Toyota Autonation in Houston wouldn't even let me sit in one.

BMW here have a policy of not allowing test drives of M cars by yourself, but they are happy to ride along with you.

When I was looking for my M6 I drove a pair of M4s (one MT, one DCT) from non BMW dealerships and both of them just gave me the keys

I test drove a 911 S alone with my wife.

None of the above cars are special... Dealers just suck.

Crimson92 wrote

I test drove a 911 S alone with my wife.

None of the above cars are special... Dealers just suck.

In my experience Porsche dealers are the most friendly. They have a much more narrow market they sell to, so in my opinion the dealers do whatever they can to maximize the sale potential of each customer.

When I flirted with selling my 128i I decided to go to the Porsche dealer and see if I could look at a 718. I’m a young looking 30 year old and the salesman let me take the car alone and said “be back in an hour please”. To some extent it worked. While I can’t buy one right now, my plan is now to work towards getting in the P car game some day.

Crimson92 wrote

None of the above cars are special... Dealers just suck.

Everyone sucks to some extent, but I believe the problem around test drives is the customers suck. They cry about challenges obtaining a test drive, then openly admit they have zero allegiance to the dealer that provided the test drive. They're all-too happy to save $50 and go back to the dealer that denied the test drive. If dealers saw value in providing test drives they'd be waving keys at people simply driving past the dealership. 💡

brad850csi wrote

BMW here have a policy of not allowing test drives of M cars by yourself, but they are happy to ride along with you.

When I was looking for my M6 I drove a pair of M4s (one MT, one DCT) from non BMW dealerships and both of them just gave me the keys

Drove an m2 competition while I was waiting on my car to get back and they would’ve let me test drive an m240i and m340i had they had one