[wizardofOz]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

First sensible thing about Ferrari and its drivers I've read. At least you're realistic vs making up wild infinitesimal predictions.

It's a bit refreshing to see and well I mean I'm all good with the predictions.

Heck, I said Stroll will win WDC KBD would probably say I am wild for saying that..

[wizardofOz]

Originally Posted by Davil

Unfortunately you can’t really believe anything the BBC says anymore. Such a sad outcome to the once great bastion of truth. They are currently just below a cereal packet as a credible source of information.

I think he’d probably achieved everything he’d ever wanted to achieve at Red Bull and wanted a new challenge. He does have a history with Aston Martin and even still drives around in a V12 VH Vantage. He may even like the colour green.

I'd say the Beeb are so far below a cereal packet that you can't even see them.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by wizardofOz

I'd say the Beeb are so far below a cereal packet that you can't even see them.

And that's putting in mildly.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Davil

Unfortunately you can’t really believe anything the BBC says anymore. Such a sad outcome to the once great bastion of truth. They are currently just below a cereal packet as a credible source of information.

I think he’d probably achieved everything he’d ever wanted to achieve at Red Bull and wanted a new challenge. He does have a history with Aston Martin and even still drives around in a V12 VH Vantage. He may even like the colour green.

Originally Posted by M5Rick

And that's putting in mildly.

OK, "today's newspaper wraps tomorrow's fish 'n chips".

However, BBC Sport states that it ran a check. I guess that's more than just a call to the sister of the friend of the neighbour of the cleaning lady of the fuel station where Jos Verstappen usually gets gas:

In the lengthy High Performance interview, interviewers didn't ask Newey: "care to enlighten us about the experience of getting to Q3 with Amanda ?", "cereals: do you also like a bowl of cocoa pops ?" and "Aston Martin's deep pockets: every man has his price, no ?"

[MoeTE87]

It's Race Week!! About damn time!

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

I am, and I won't. If you win, you get the satisfaction of proving me wrong. It's a big deal, because it's so rare.

At least you're honest on both accounts. I'll just make sure we tag all the posts where you so boldly claim him as WDC and make sure they all get replied to at the end of the season.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by MoeTE87

It's Race Week!! About damn time!

There can be only one (1)!

[MoeTE87]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

There can be only one (1)!

You got that right! Max P1! Can't wait to see the white livery!

[3798j]

"If you ask if the [RB21] is difficult to drive, I don't think the car gave me a strange feeling. At least not in the simulator. Of course, how I want to set up the car is probably different to how Max wants it. I want to develop my own set-up of the car, get a good understanding of it and gradually get up to speed from the first practice." - - - Yuki Tsunoda

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

At least you're honest on both accounts. I'll just make sure we tag all the posts where you so boldly claim him as WDC and make sure they all get replied to at the end of the season.

He's already a 8* time WDC, nothing more needs to be proven or said. You said Ham would get destroyed by Lec, and so far Ham is the only one with a Pole and win.

How can a washed up overrated old slow drive come in and beat the claimed 2nd fastest driver in F1 on his own team?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

There can be only one (1)!

Not for nothing numero uno is on MAX's car.. and with a hit/miss car that's being worked on every which way but to lose. Looking forward to 11111 fingers aloft at the end of the season from him

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by MoeTE87

You got that right! Max P1! Can't wait to see the white livery!

Absolutely ! Thanks buddy for all the support
And ...

Can't wait to see how YUKI drives the RB21 Frankenstein car in his home race

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Davil

Unfortunately you can’t really believe anything the BBC says anymore. Such a sad outcome to the once great bastion of truth. ...
.....

I think he’d probably achieved everything he’d ever wanted to achieve at Red Bull and wanted a new challenge. He does have a history with Aston Martin and even still drives around in a V12 VH Vantage. He may even like the colour green.

Indeed I also think that BBC article is highly suggestive.
Their only link is 'high-level sources close to Red Bull and Newey'. That could be anyone, even people from not within the RB organisation...

I think Erik van Haren's remark/analysis that Newey thanked Horner as a business partner and friend in his departure declaration but not mentioned Helmut Marko might shed a different light on the situation. Perculiar it is nontheless.
Also letting a deal or business agreement where tens of millions, if not hundeds of millions are involved in depend on some alledged relationship between a secretary and a boss... I don't know...

That said, it doesn't matter anymore. Newey is now running part of AMR (development) basically

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Indeed I also think that BBC article is highly suggestive.
Their only link is 'high-level sources close to Red Bull and Newey'. That could be anyone, even people from not within the RB organisation...

I think Erik van Haren's remark/analysis that Newey thanked Horner as a business partner and friend in his departure declaration but not mentioned Helmut Marko might shed a different light on the situation. Perculiar it is nontheless.
Also letting a deal or business agreement where tens of millions, if not hundeds of millions are involved in depend on some alledged relationship between a secretary and a boss... I don't know...

That said, it doesn't matter anymore. Newey is now running part of AMR (development) basically

Adrian Newey's wife didn't appreciate how Horner talked smack about her husband.



She also commented "absolute bollocks".

Yeah, nice atmosphere down there at Red Bull Racing.

"Christian Horner claims labelled ‘hogwash’ by Adrian Newey’s wife
Sam Cooper - 05 Jan 2024 4:19 PM
https://www.planetf1.com/news/christ...n-newey-amanda

Adrian Newey’s wife Amanda has hit out at claims the RB19 was designed by Peter Wache and not her husband.
The origin of the report stems from quotes given by Red Bull boss Christian Horner to Motorsport.com claiming the team was not as reliant on Newey as it once was.
Amanda Newey has however described that claim as “hogwash” and another as “absolute bollocks.”

Amanda Newey hits out at Christian Horner suggestion
Amanda Newey took to X (formerly Twitter) to voice her displeasure, commenting under three posts made by three separate outlets.
Twice she wrote “what a load of hogwash”, having previously described the suggestion from a user that the RB19 was not an Adrian Newey championship-winning car as “absolute bollocks.”
The original interview was given by Horner to Motorsport.com in which he claimed technical director Wache was leading the team.
“Adrian is a big part of this team and big part of what we’ve achieved,” Horner said. “But of course, his role has evolved over the last few years and the technical team beneath him led by Pierre Wache, they’re doing a wonderful job and so that they’re not reliant on Adrian.
“He has the ability to come in, come out and work on other projects and I think that’s part of the evolution of any team.”
Separate quotes by Wache were also rubbished by Amanda Newey.
“He’s irreplaceable, yes – you cannot replace him!” Wache said.
“On a daily basis, he’s not part of our process. He’s more coming from the sideways and trying to help us or challenge us on different aspects.”

Red Bull RB17: The £5million hypercar with huge Adrian Newey influence
Horner’s suggestion was not a new one with the Red Bull stating when the team’s dynamic changed.
“It’s the perfect scenario, really, where we’ve built a machine that isn’t dependent on one individual but which enables Adrian to feed in and out, to mentor, to challenge ideas and so on,” Horner told the Telegraph.
“I suppose it’s evolved over the last four or five years as Adrian has become involved in other projects. He can’t be everywhere.
“Back in 2013, he was drawing a large percentage of the aerodynamic surfaces of the car and sort of engineering at weekends and so on.
“But in a cost cap world, especially with where the regulations have gone, Adrian is able to do less anyway on the drawing board. Obviously, he’s still crucial at the concept stage.
“But, as he’s taken on a broader role, the rest of the group has had to evolve and develop. Particularly after Adrian’s [cycling] accident in 2021, the guys really had to step up with the design of RB18.
“Pierre did a great job in doing that. On a day-to-day basis, that is Pierre’s responsibility now, his accountability. The relationship between the two of them is strong. Honestly, I think it’s the strongest engineering team we’ve ever had.”

[LH44]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Waiting for you answer on the proposed wager. $10,000 says Ham will not win WDC. My guess is you're willing to make outlandish guesses on a WDC and not put your money where your mouth is. I'll even put up $20,000 to your $10,000. Ham will NOT win WDC - I be surprised if he is even able to place top 5 in what is the fastest car on the grid.

I'll take you up on this, but not at these silly odds. MGM has him at +2000. If you're serious and would like to match that, PM me with proof of funds and we'll coordinate.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by LH44

I'll take you up on this, but not at these silly odds. MGM has him at +2000. If you're serious and would like to match that, PM me with proof of funds and we'll coordinate.

So you and Amuro are sure able to run your mouths about WDC predictions and certainty but when called out you resort to facetious statements and a no, and now you want me as an individual to put up MGM odds (which is there for good reason). My deal is 20K for your 10k. Money goes to an escrow account and winner takes all - simply if ham doesnt win you lose. That's the proposal, take it or leave it.

Edit:
I'll take the MGM odds as long as you're willing to pay out the reciprocating +2000 when he loses. Pari mutuel odds.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

He's already a 8* time WDC, nothing more needs to be proven or said. You said Ham would get destroyed by Lec, and so far Ham is the only one with a Pole and win.

How can a washed up overrated old slow drive come in and beat the claimed 2nd fastest driver in F1 on his own team?

He's not an 8 time WDC - it's 7 and those were the easiest in history to win (difficulty level 25 out of 100). You lose credibility when you make patently false statements like that.

Sprint race stats don't count for anything so pole and 'win' that he used an illegal setup for certainly dont count especially when you cheat in the GP and can only manage 6th place before disqualification.

Not sure I made any claims about being destroyed, but I do think Lec will outpace him in the driver's standings at the end of the year. We've had 2 races...let's see how it pans out but I see your tactic is to change the goal posts when your original statement isnt proving to be correct (him winning WDC). I did say he isnt capable of beating 4-6 other drivers when the cars are close (even though he has the fastest car). He's NEVER been able to beat actual talent before, nor will he ever do it.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by LH44

I'll take you up on this, but not at these silly odds. MGM has him at +2000. If you're serious and would like to match that, PM me with proof of funds and we'll coordinate.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

He's already a 8* time WDC, nothing more needs to be proven or said. You said Ham would get destroyed by Lec, and so far Ham is the only one with a Pole and win.

How can a washed up overrated old slow drive come in and beat the claimed 2nd fastest driver in F1 on his own team?

LEW is actually a 6-time WDC . Because his 2008 WDC was a stolen WDC .

[M5Rick]

Me too..

[3798j]

Originally Posted by LH44

I'll take you up on this, but not at these silly odds. MGM has him at +2000. If you're serious and would like to match that, PM me with proof of funds and we'll coordinate.

Silly is only one of the words that come to mind...all of the betting houses have Hamilton at +$2000. It takes only a $1000 wager on him to pay that $20,000. Anyone else smell the bull?

[3798j]

Betting lines. Pretty close between the two McLaren drivers...should be another exciting GP.