F32Fleet wrote

So buy an Ineos Grenadier. It has a BMW drivetrain.

Have you driven one ?
It does not ride well and has dead steering. Not even remotely close to range rover or x7 ride or luxury. Want x7 type luxury that sits up higher. This G74 might fit that niche.

jphcbpa wrote

Have you driven one ?
It does not ride well and has dead steering. Not even remotely close to range rover or x7 ride or luxury. Want x7 type luxury that sits up higher. This G74 might fit that niche.

You mean this?

F32Fleet wrote

You mean this?

Is that humor? I don't get it...

Hit_Apex wrote

Is that humor? I don't get it...

It's higher than an X7. I'm just wondering how high is high enough?


How about Mercedes Unimog?

F32Fleet wrote

It's higher than an X7. I'm just wondering how high is high enough?
How about Mercedes Unimog?

Ah, you're just being salty cause you dislike the concept. A reasonable person would look at other 'rugged' editions in the class such as the GX550 Overtrail which has a factory 1" lift and ~1" larger diameter tires to get an idea of what the added ground clearance over an X7 could be. That would be high enough for 99.9% of buyers most of which will never overland anyway.

jphcbpa wrote

For years I have said I wish BMW would build an SUV that sits up higher. I loved my x7 but wanted a vehicle with better seating position. Hopefully this is not a body on frame (rough ride) and they can make it similar to a range rover with off road ability but smooth luxurious ride on road (air suspension / all wheel steering)

from Autocar...

Sounds a lot like my report from last night So there is no X8 name being thrown around now. In fact, the car is not even 100% approved. It's close, but not approved, nor has an official name, other than Rugged Project.

Still a long way to go, approval is in the process by the end of the year, but no prototypes for the road were built yet. On top of it, the car is proposed as an EV and PHEV, not REx. So the EV will have the Neue Klasse motors, so it can do four independent ones controlled by the cool Heart of Joy. It remains to be seen if that it will be the better version compared to a traditional PHEV.

SirPsychoMD wrote

Not for me, but my daughter has been in BMW’s since her first car (E46 325i) and she was just in the market to replace her current G01 X3. We remarked how well a BMW minivan would market to young families. I’d like to see their spin on that!

Dont kill me but the idea of a BMW minivan with 8 seats and a skateboard ev powertrain making 600 hp with 400 mi range makes me feel things

DDS2015 wrote

Hopefully it isn’t priced like an XM. Needs to sound as menacing as a G-wagon.

My x5 lease is up in March of 2029….. could be good timing!

If it's going against a G-class, it will be priced higher than the XM. A base G550 is $150k without options. A base G63 is $190k.

Hit_Apex wrote

Ah, you're just being salty cause you dislike the concept. A reasonable person would look at other 'rugged' editions in the class such as the GX550 Overtrail which has a factory 1" lift and ~1" larger diameter tires to get an idea of what the added ground clearance over an X7 could be. That would be high enough for 99.9% of buyers most of which will never overland anyway.

Not salty just amused.

They always say never too late but kinda is for this. And based on X5 platform? Let's see how this gamble works.

usmabmass wrote

Dont kill me but the idea of a BMW minivan with 8 seats and a skateboard ev powertrain making 600 hp with 400 mi range makes me feel things

As a relatively new grandpa….I 100% agree. My daughter wound up buying a Honda minivan but to think what BMW could do with the platform, sign me up!

hope it doesn't look like this:

hb wrote

Sounds a lot like my report from last night So there is no X8 name being thrown around now. In fact, the car is not even 100% approved. It's close, but not approved, nor has an official name, other than Rugged Project.

Still a long way to go, approval is in the process by the end of the year, but no prototypes for the road were built yet. On top of it, the car is proposed as an EV and PHEV, not REx. So the EV will have the Neue Klasse motors, so it can do four independent ones controlled by the cool Heart of Joy. It remains to be seen if that it will be the better version compared to a traditional PHEV.

Excited and hope it gets approved. I would be good with ev or phev (i own one now) An extended range ev would be ideal however. Please keep us posted on any scoop or updates as the year progresses

hufington wrote

They always say never too late but kinda is for this. And based on X5 platform? Let's see how this gamble works.

Nothing wrong with that. The CLAR platform is really good. That was the idea behind it: to be able to do custom wheelbases on it, like the XM, Z4, Skytop, Speedotp, and many other examples.

It's the same play.

Initially the car was supposed to be on iX3 platform.

Crazy G wagon sales are in the shitter…

This is cool and all but just bring the M3 wagon to the states and it would be sufficient. I know they didn’t sell particularly well before but I think the market now is larger than before.

So everybody knows a true proper off-roader is a body-on-frame setup - not unibody construction. Would BMW even know how to build a BOF vehicle?

I mean Subaru builds unibody quasi-off-roaders, but that’s their thing, and it works for them. That’s after a long legacy / history of intentionally focusing on that type of vehicle though.

Not sure if BMW would actually build anything more than a glorified, lifted maxi-sized X5/X7.

Universal Exports wrote

Body on frame. Inline big bore N.A. inline 6 with limited variable components. Low tech, big growl, battleship reliability, and high after market potential and support.

Traversing speed bumps at a Whole Foods supermarket parking lot is already well covered by the automotive world and BMW with 3, 5s and 7s.

Take it to Baja. Take it to the revised Dakar.

Then take me to the bank to buy one.

Well said Mr.Bond

SirPsychoMD wrote

Not for me, but my daughter has been in BMW’s since her first car (E46 325i) and she was just in the market to replace her current G01 X3. We remarked how well a BMW minivan would market to young families. I’d like to see their spin on that!

They kind of did already but wasn’t offered in the states. They did it with the 2 series called active and gran tourer. F45/46 chassis code. Neat looking vehicles. Would’ve been cool if they brought them to the USA.

Jolbex wrote

Here in Europe G IS anboffroad legend. It was a standard army, police, firemen and forest vehicle for decades. Used in many countries, produced under Mercedes, Puch or Peugeot badge.....

And so is the difference between American and European views. Functionality is important to an American where the Europeans want to look good doing something. A G-wagon will get smoked by something functional like a 1984 Toyota SR5. If you absolutely have to get across 20 miles of terrain, the G wagon is the last truck you would choose. I think BMW is hitting the pipe too hard lately and needs to come down. But hey, if you want to destroy profit for a fools mission, have at it. These arid endeavors just dilute BMW IMO.

Still a long way to go, approval is in the process by the end of the year, but no prototypes for the road were built yet. On top of it, the car is proposed as an EV and PHEV, not REx. So the EV will have the Neue Klasse motors, so it can do four independent ones controlled by the cool Heart of Joy. It remains to be seen if that it will be the better version compared to a traditional PHEV.[/QUOTE]

Wow! Imagine doing tank turns on the dirt! Who needs hooning?

Efthreeoh wrote

LOL. I'll keep my Bronco. Thanks

If you are an enthusiast, want a manual transmission, with decent on-road manners and excellent off-road capabilities, just get a Bronco Badlands.

This BMW will just another over-priced mall crawler.

I like my Bronco but I don't see any correlation between G-Wagon buyers and Bronco buyers.