[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by dfox

Citizenship defines it for me. I have a good buddy who is American born with dual citizenship. He grew up in the US as a dual citizen. Years ago he moved to Canada and basically said he's never moving back. He hates the US and everything about it... if he were an F1 racer, why should he be forced to fly a flag for a country that he despises, when he is a full fledged citizen of another country that better represents his values?

GL to your friend if he prefers it in Canada

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

My friend guess which one hooked Christian H

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by dfox

Citizenship defines it for me. I have a good buddy who is American born with dual citizenship. He grew up in the US as a dual citizen. Years ago he moved to Canada and basically said he's never moving back. He hates the US and everything about it... if he were an F1 racer, why should he be forced to fly a flag for a country that he despises, when he is a full fledged citizen of another country that better represents his values?

In sports , the main reason is "Financial Speculation" . Because these guys make $Millions in a blink of an eye !

In MAX' situation , he chose to run under the Dutch flag because the Belgian taxes are f@cking insane !
The Belgian government takes (steals)! "monthly 55%" from my paycheck , and at year's end I must pay taxes again for my 45% which they left for me ..

While I work my a$$ off I feel like I'm robbed , because 50% = 6 months of the year that I work for the Belgian government !
In other words , get a job in Belgium for one year and you get a 6 month paycheck the rest goes to the Belgian government.......'
Mate . Welcome to Belgium !
That's why MAX is now not Belgian , not Dutch , but a Monegasque and he pays zero taxes.
Honestly , if I had the chance I would do the same in a heartbeat . Sure I have 'some money , but sadly not enough to be a Monegasque .

God Bless America and Monaco !

[///M Power-Belgium]

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[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

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Those two RB19's will be heading for MK to be parked up with the other successful winning cars.

RB gets $140 M for winning the Constructors minus the crippling $7.5m entrance fee for both drivers from FIA to take part in the '24 campaign.
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/104204...%20for%20third.

[M5Rick]

Here's one for the Ferrari fans, hopefully they can get better than third in the Constructors in '24,,, FORZA FERRARI !!!

[Car-Addicted]

A little off target but here's one for the Ferrari fans to relive old times.
for me this is one of the most beautiful cars ever created.
Note that this car belongs to Lawrence Stroll.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Good riddance

Originally Posted by M5Rick

GL to your friend if he prefers it in Canada

Yeah I mean, whatever floats his boat. I don't quite understand it, but I don't want him forced to fly the US flag just because that's where he was born and raised. It no longer represents his values and he's a citizen of another country...

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by Artemis

What matters is the performance with an F1 car, regardless race, color, creed, nationality, etc.

Not really. Depending on the race, colour, creed, nationality, etc, you're born with, you'll never see the tarmac of a track, much less be in one. And if you do, the the hurdles are taller and the slopes steeper than your fellow racers. You get worse equipment, sponsors, encouragement, opportunities, etc.

Conversely, a bloke like Verstappen, born with all the right elements --in addition of being an excellent driver-- has greater chances to achieve this incredible level of performance.

Race, colour, creed, nationality, etc, is a massive differentiator. Yes, I know you can't wrap your noggin around that. (I don't find you daft. It's just something you haven't yet been able to appreciate.)

[Autobacs]

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Not really. Depending on the race, colour, creed, nationality, etc, you're born with, you'll never see the tarmac of a track, much less be in one. And if you do, the the hurdles are taller and the slopes steeper than your fellow racers. You get worse equipment, sponsors, encouragement, opportunities, etc.

Conversely, a bloke like Verstappen, born with all the right elements --in addition of being an excellent driver-- has greater chances to achieve this incredible level of performance.

Race, colour, creed, nationality, etc, is a massive differentiator. Yes, I know you can't wrap your noggin around that. (I don't find you daft. It's just something you haven't yet been able to appreciate.)

Unlike what you claim, I do perfectly understand what you mean. Feel free to read again my post and - especially - understand the words within their context (i.e. the nationality of Verstappen: Belgian, Dutch or both ?):

Originally Posted by Artemis

What matters is the performance with an F1 car, regardless race, color, creed, nationality, etc. Feel free to root for any driver worldwide and to respect rival drivers of any place on the surface of the planet. All citizens of the world.

You raised a different subject: the long and winding road before even arriving at the glitzy stardom gates of the F1 elite drivers club. A road where some young hopefuls may unfortunately encounter disgraceful obstacles and vicious setbacks, resulting from discriminatory behavior by some folks lacking any sense of decency and respect. Shame on those nasty folks treating others badly.

Originally Posted by Marcoose

(I don't find you daft. It's just something you haven't yet been able to appreciate.)

Marcoose, I respect you for who you are, no matter your race, color, creed, nationality, etc. As respect is one of the core values I was raised with, it's part of my moral compass.

Over here at Bimmerpost, discussions about politics and religion are no longer allowed since September 2020, so let's agree not to politicize topics.

See this lengthy post of Nov 2022 expressing some thoughts: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...#post29559525I

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Over here at Bimmerpost, discussions about politics and religion are no longer allowed

You chummed the waters, Artemis. I just took the bait. Bad Marcoose.

[Davil]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Wishful thinking, not going to happen and he's Belgian whatever the flags show.

Oh nice. Maybe he can switch back & forth for next season just so we get some variety with the national anthem on the podium.

[M5Rick]

Franz Tost has the last word before leaving Alpha Tauri calling the strategists dumb for not securing seventh in the Constructors.
https://racingnews365.com/tost-hits-...s-parting-shot

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

In sports , the main reason is "Financial Speculation" . Because these guys make $Millions in a blink of an eye !

In MAX' situation , he chose to run under the Dutch flag because the Belgian taxes are f@cking insane !
The Belgian government takes (steals)! "monthly 55%" from my paycheck , and at year's end I must pay taxes again for my 45% which they left for me ..

While I work my a$$ off I feel like I'm robbed , because 50% = 6 months of the year that I work for the Belgian government !
In other words , get a job in Belgium for one year and you get a 6 month paycheck the rest goes to the Belgian government.......'
Mate . Welcome to Belgium !
That's why MAX is now not Belgian , not Dutch , but a Monegasque and he pays zero taxes.
Honestly , if I had the chance I would do the same in a heartbeat . Sure I have 'some money , but sadly not enough to be a Monegasque .

God Bless America and Monaco !

I wouldn't want to live in Monaco even if I had the money, it's too cramped and there are many steep hills, it has no parks where I can cycle or go for a proper walk with greenery and I haven't even seen a beach there just boats where multi millionaires flaunt their worth.
Give me a home in a semi rural setting on flat ground with countryside and woods close by anytime...and an Army base not far away for added security

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Davil

Oh nice. Maybe he can switch back & forth for next season just so we get some variety with the national anthem on the podium.

The "Orange Army" hype of Dutch fans is a lucrative money merchandise machine for the Verstappens. More power to them.

The Belgian national anthem blasting through the loud speakers with Verstappen on the podium, would puzzle them ("Wait a minute, did we root all the time for a Belgian guy ?!?").

A cunning business man: more proof that Max Verstappen is Dutch.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

A little off target but here's one for the Ferrari fans to relive old times.
for me this is one of the most beautiful cars ever created.
Note that this car belongs to Lawrence Stroll.

That's the previous BOAC insignia on the engine cover, now known as British Airways.

[M5Rick]

Going back to this again and in the end it was Sainz's spectacular kid fail that cost the team second in the championship following from the FP crash that made the rebuilt Ferrari awkward and to slide to 16th in quali.
It should have been like taking candy from a toddler and Ferrari would have had it in the bag even if they had tied with Merc with SAI's previous race win then the call in for tyres from 9th and waiting for SC brought the axe down. SAI was doing precious little with LEC everything to plug the hole.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/sa...ason/10552995/

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Those two RB19's will be heading for MK to be parked up with the other successful winning cars.

RB gets $140 M for winning the Constructors minus the crippling $7.5m entrance fee for both drivers from FIA to take part in the '24 campaign
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/104204...%20for%20third.

Yeah I know . And that's why ...As you can see

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Here's one for the Ferrari fans, hopefully they can get better than third in the Constructors in '24,,, FORZA FERRARI !!!

Killed by Death

Ferrari should engage her for the 2024 season => https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KygC378Yvt4

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah I know . And that's why ...As you can see

You could say SAI and Checo are 'lost in transalation' heheh

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Killed by Death

Ferrari should engage her for the 2024 season => https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KygC378Yvt4

I'm sure KbD would agree and replacing Fred with her would make beating Merc a piece of cake.