[fs1977]

Verstappen gambled yesterday and lost today. Agressive set up gave him pole yesterday but a very tricky car to drive in the wet today. Also to many little mistakes. Pace was certainly there in the dry bringing him from p10 to p5 in the end. McLarens where the usual rocketships. And Hulkenberg, well deserved!

[Killed by Death]

DAMN, what the hell was wrong with Charlie this weekend

Did his girlfriend dump him or something

#FerrariThings #CharlieThings

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

DAMN, what the hell was wrong with Charlie this weekend

Did his girlfriend dump him or something

#FerrariThings #CharlieThings

Car just not fit for Silverstone with the wet conditions. Same problem in Australia. Tire choice and strategy also didn’t help.

Overall, SF-25 is just shit and has the same problem Mercedes has last couple of years - car only works under a very certain setup and on specific tracks, everywhere else car just sucks and no set up is going to solve it.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

A very dangerous incident (trap) like that , deserves a "10 sec. stop and go penalty" (!)

It's still very questionable that RUS did exactly the same thing to Max in Canada and got away with it without any hassle.
For sure there is a passport bias at the fia, or they give him an advantage because he's GDPA director or whatever. But doing the same thing this close in time/races and one that gets a get out of jail for free card and one gets penalized shows how incompetent they are at the FIA when it comes to refereeing.
Max was pretty mild to Piastri's behaviour though.

Awesome that the Hulk finally got his podium. He needs a better car, Nico is an excellent and versatile driver.

LEC's race was a total mess.

I still have my doubts on whether or not RB chose the right strategy. Obviously Max' car was set up to score in dry qualifying with the lower downforce etc. That cost him in the race. If it stayed dry it might have been a bit different (maybe a podium), but in reality it's impossibe to beat the McLaren car this year. That car is strong in pretty much every condition, that's why both NOR and PIA keep scoring p1's and p2's and the RB21....well look at what Max' teammates make of that, that shows the car's potential. Not even Max can work miracles that big.....

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Car just not fit for Silverstone with the wet conditions. Same problem in Australia. Tire choice and strategy also didn’t help.

Overall, SF-25 is just shit and has the same problem Mercedes has last couple of years - car only works under a very certain setup and on specific tracks, everywhere else car just sucks and no set up is going to solve it.

I was wondering who made the call for slicks after the formation lap. Charlie or Ferrari

When they did it I was like "Oh NO"....Charlie isn't exactly known for his prowess in the wet

[G30M]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

It's still very questionable that RUS did exactly the same thing to Max in Canada and got away with it without any hassle.
For sure there is a passport bias at the fia, or they give him an advantage because he's GDPA director or whatever. But doing the same thing this close in time/races and one that gets a get out of jail for free card and one gets penalized shows how incompetent they are at the FIA when it comes to refereeing.

Awesome that the Hulk finally got his podium. He needs a better car, Nico is an excellent and versatile driver.

LEC's race was a total mess.

I still have my doubts on whether or not RB chose the right strategy. Obviously Max' car was set up to score in dry qualifying with the lower downforce etc. That cost him in the race. If it stayed dry it might have been a bit different (maybe a podium), but in reality it's impossibe to beat the McLaren car this year. That car is strong in pretty much every condition, that's why both NOR and PIA keep scoring p1's and p2's and the RB21....well look at what Max' teammates make of that, that shows the car's potential. Not even Max can work miracles that big.....

I was just going to say that when Russell did that nothing happened, so I feel Oscar's pain. THere;s nothing he can do, as the FIA has spoken. He just needs to keep his head down and if he wants to be WDC, he needs to beat Lando in the 2nd half of the season.

For RB, mathematically possible so you don't want to rule out Max too.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I still have my doubts on whether or not RB chose the right strategy. Obviously Max' car was set up to score in dry qualifying with the lower downforce etc. That cost him in the race. If it stayed dry it might have been a bit different (maybe a podium), but in reality it's impossibe to beat the McLaren car this year. That car is strong in pretty much every condition, that's why both NOR and PIA keep scoring p1's and p2's and the RB21....well look at what Max' teammates make of that, that shows the car's potential. Not even Max can work miracles that big.....

I was wondering yesterday whether ground effect is enough for wet races if you have terrible rear downforce, I think the answer is not enough.

[Artemis]

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

DAMN, what the hell was wrong with Charlie this weekend

Did his girlfriend dump him or something

#FerrariThings #CharlieThings

Mercs are even worse! They won the race last year and today was terrible. I know why Toto doesn't want to give Russell a contract!

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by G30M

I was wondering yesterday whether ground effect is enough for wet races if you have terrible rear downforce, I think the answer is not enough.

Max can only beat the McLaren if all the stars align and risks are taken.
I think RB gambled for the race to stay dry and then set up the car to maximalize on that compared to a more mixed setup (wet&dry) that McLaren probably chose.
That both PIA and NOR are so closely matched, also in points shows that here the car is definately the deciding factor. Still interesting that a customer team drives circles around their (engine)supplier. McLaren has things sorted.
Next year might be very different, so I expect more hardcore racing between PIA and NOR, as this is for both their sure shot to get the WDC.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by fs1977

McLarens where the usual rocketships. And Hulkenberg, well deserved!

And I don't think it's just brake cooling or tyre cooling or even bendy wings. It just works. And anyone can drive it.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by fs1977

Verstappen gambled yesterday and lost today. Agressive set up gave him pole yesterday but a very tricky car to drive in the wet today. Also to many little mistakes. Pace was certainly there in the dry bringing him from p10 to p5 in the end. !

I was just thinking. Nico went from p19 to p3. +if you know the race is wet you could in theory rip up the car, change everything to suit a wet race, start from pit lane, and play the game in easy mode. Easy for me to say as a PS5 player...

[wizardofOz]

Here's a few from the race and museum ...Fortunate to sit where I was for the race and saw Max spin his car just before the restart and safety car pitted..Seeing the race in person it was ridiculous with the sudden dry and sudden wet..No one was safe in those conditions, period..

[Straykiwi]

My takes:

Well done Hulk for keeping it on the road. All that experience does count for something!
As has been said earlier, the McLaren is an easy to drive road going rocketship that any driver can dominate in, irrespective of track conditions. Alex Dunne proved it in FP1 Austria.
I cannot believe how Mercedes could get it so wrong. A lower temp day should have played into their strengths but they really made a mess. Poor setup, strategy, and racing tactics. Back to the drawing board.
Max and RBR gambled on a dry race and lost. End of story. Not even the restart shenanigans from Piastri can be blamed here, even Max himself said as much.
I also want to highlight Gasly, who is having one heck of a season already in an uncompetitive car. If Hulk hadn't got his podium he would have my vote for DotD.
Both RB drivers out through racing incidents, last week Lawson used up his get out of jail free card, Hadjar missed his braking point but in those conditions with his relative lack of experience it was an accident waiting to happen.

[Rono63]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

More about the deliberate incident from Piastri and MAX ..

Piastri braked at the straight on between turns 14 and 15 and that was under the green flag when the SC pulled back in.

Some details from Piastri's telemetry data :
Piastri braked on the straight from 218 km/h to 52 km/h without a valid reason just to trap MAX (!)
Piastri's brake brake pressure was 59.2 PSI (!)
MAX had to avoid a collision in the spray and in a very poor visibility and lost it (!)

Piastri's 10 sec. penalty was very cheap . Considering the deliberate danger he caused in the heavy rain .
Piastri should have been black flagged (!)

Black flag, are you kidding me. There wasn’t any contact unlike when Max intentionally rammed George.

[Davil]

What a race.

Lance pretty much repeated his Melbourne performance. Very good driver in the rain and he’d have got 5th if they’d gone medium instead of soft. Lewis also chose soft and paid the price as they also expired but this worked well for the hulk.

I don’t think Oscar was doing anything malicious. There was some really bad timing and he got stuck between a rock and a hard place and just overdid it. It probably looked even worse as Max was going quickly, similar to what happened with George. I think it will make him more determined. He’s better than Lando in race conditions now.

So wonderful to see the Hulk finally reach the podium!

[NickyC]

That race didn't go how I thought it would but was very entertaining nonetheless! Congrats to Hulk!

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Blindside_137

I was disappointed to see Leclerc dive bomb both Williams today. He is better than that.

This has surprised me the most today, Charlie was not himself and from the time he was constantly dissing himself on the radio he was on the slide with his temper and over driving.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

More about the deliberate incident from Piastri and MAX ..

Piastri braked at the straight on between turns 14 and 15 and that was under the green flag when the SC pulled back in.

Some details from Piastri's telemetry data :
Piastri braked on the straight from 218 km/h to 52 km/h without a valid reason just to trap MAX (!)
Piastri's brake brake pressure was 59.2 PSI (!)
MAX had to avoid a collision in the spray and in a very poor visibility and lost it (!)

Piastri's 10 sec. penalty was very cheap . Considering the deliberate danger he caused in the heavy rain .
Piastri should have been black flagged (!)

Totally agree, PIA brake tested MAX (and the rest of the field) for no reason just out of spite who nearly hit him and only has himself to blame, but then I don't think stewards even have a black flag present as they don't think that far nowadays.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by wizardofOz

Here's a few from the race ...Fortunate to sit where I was and saw Max spin his car just before the restart and safety car pitted..Seeing the race in person it was ridiculous with the sudden dry and sudden wet..No one was safe in those conditions, period..

Thanks for putting on those pics Wizard, shame about the sporadic rain but nevertheless hope you had a great time there

[fs1977]

I'm not sure about the Piastri penalty. But I don't like people like Stella suggesting it was Max who trapped Piastri into this and stating it was normal brake pressure. Yeah, mayby on a dry track, but certainly not in the wet with all that spray and lack of visibility.

Just acknowledge that Piastri made a mistake in stead of alsways putting the blame somehwere else.

[G30M]

wait. Nico (and the rest) got a trophy made of Lego. WHAT!!!!! FIA is bonkers ...