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      12-02-2022, 07:57 AM   #40547
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My boss has season tix to the local pro soccer team. It's free drink and free food so of course I go when he calls and says "hey, someone bailed on me....." but it's.........soccer.

Anyway - in the box I have started loudly giving my opinions on how to make soccer more fun. Did I mention there were free drinks? So anyway the one the true fans agree with the most is where each team has 1 position fill by a grossly fat person - like minimum triple normal BMI size or something - but they have a bat. They are allowed to hit ANYONE with the ball. The are super fat and slow so it'll be like a NASCAR race waiting for the moons to align where someone has the ball and forgets to check where sluggo is.

The anticipation would add a whole new level to the game. Even if one team was 5 goals ahead......you'd still have something to be excited for.
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I don't know if it's still this way for professional Soccer, but the biggest issue IMO is that there is no know length of the game. they start out at 90 minutes, then based on the referee's discretion they extend the game an unknown amount of time until the ref personally feels the game is to his satisfaction... often just long enough to break a tie, or allow a favorite team to score in undefined-overtime and tie things, a nudge to alter the outcome of the game.

that's not professional... is it still like that?
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I don't know if it's still this way for professional Soccer, but the biggest issue IMO is that there is no know length of the game. they start out at 90 minutes, then based on the referee's discretion they extend the game an unknown amount of time until the ref personally feels the game is to his satisfaction... often just long enough to break a tie, or allow a favorite team to score in undefined-overtime and tie things, a nudge to alter the outcome of the game.

that's not professional... is it still like that?
I don't know - I get drunk before so I don't have to actually pay attention............
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      12-02-2022, 09:09 AM   #40553
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My boss has season tix to the local pro soccer team. It's free drink and free food so of course I go when he calls and says "hey, someone bailed on me....." but it's.........soccer.

Anyway - in the box I have started loudly giving my opinions on how to make soccer more fun. Did I mention there were free drinks? So anyway the one the true fans agree with the most is where each team has 1 position fill by a grossly fat person - like minimum triple normal BMI size or something - but they have a bat. They are allowed to hit ANYONE with the ball. The are super fat and slow so it'll be like a NASCAR race waiting for the moons to align where someone has the ball and forgets to check where sluggo is.

The anticipation would add a whole new level to the game. Even if one team was 5 goals ahead......you'd still have something to be excited for.
Lulz - I love the bat idea.
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I don't know if it's still this way for professional Soccer, but the biggest issue IMO is that there is no know length of the game. they start out at 90 minutes, then based on the referee's discretion they extend the game an unknown amount of time until the ref personally feels the game is to his satisfaction... often just long enough to break a tie, or allow a favorite team to score in undefined-overtime and tie things, a nudge to alter the outcome of the game.

that's not professional... is it still like that?
Yes, and it drives me crazy. I was watching the end of both the US-England and US-Iran games. As a viewer I am looking at the clock get past 90 minutes and thinking "why are they still playing, and now how much time is left??" I had to google it and read about the additional time and extra time things that happen in soccer. It's infuriating and stupid. They should have an exact and consistent end point to games.
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Yes, and it drives me crazy. I was watching the end of both the US-England and US-Iran games. As a viewer I am looking at the clock get past 90 minutes and thinking "why are they still playing, and now how much time is left??" I had to google it and read about the additional time and extra time things that happen in soccer. It's infuriating and stupid. They should have an exact and consistent end point to games.
This from a country where 3 of the 4 big sports stops and starts every 15 seconds. Soccer is fine, it flows, US based sports stutter for three fucking hours when they should take half that amount of time.
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This from a country where 3 of the 4 big sports stops and starts every 15 seconds. Soccer is fine, it flows, US based sports stutter for three fucking hours when they should take half that amount of time.
That is fair. Sometimes all the stoppages are painful but we are america so we have to make sure that all the billionaires with these huge TV deals keep getting paid so therefore tons of pauses for commercials to keep the cash flowing. College football games take 4 hours and there is only 60 minutes of actual playing time......

For soccer though, as a viewer I want to know when the match will end. I wanna see when there is 30 seconds left and the team down by 1 goal has to do something crazy to tie the game in the final seconds. From my limited watching I felt like I could not track it that way, or that soccer doesn't work that way which doesn't make sense to me.
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Yes, and it drives me crazy. I was watching the end of both the US-England and US-Iran games. As a viewer I am looking at the clock get past 90 minutes and thinking "why are they still playing, and now how much time is left??" I had to google it and read about the additional time and extra time things that happen in soccer. It's infuriating and stupid. They should have an exact and consistent end point to games.
I can't wait to hear everyone's opinion on relegation between leagues.....
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For soccer though, as a viewer I want to know when the match will end. I wanna see when there is 30 seconds left and the team down by 1 goal has to do something crazy to tie the game in the final seconds. From my limited watching I felt like I could not track it that way, or that soccer doesn't work that way which doesn't make sense to me.
fully agree, it's why I stopped watching it years ago (not that I was ever a huge fan, but I did like world cup), the game was entertaining until I witnessed this secret time warp intend only to alter the outcome of the game... and it was LOTS of extra time... all secret... everyone confused what's going on, the announcers couldn't believe how much extra time was added. total BS.

IMO - no matter how amazing the game is - it's total pee-wee amateur hour if you have no rules and you hide the game from the fans and a ref get's to personally decide the outcome. what's the point of playing.

In all seriousness (from me personal opinion) FIFA is no better than WWE wrestling if it's more of a show than a sport. since there is no written definition of what constitutes a win, then it's not really a game, it's an activity. I'm not knocking the athletes who are all tremendous... it's just they play an unprofessional game with no rules or time limits.

All sports have their issues and absurdities - FIFA's is just the most ridiculous. Baseball statistically is a pointless game... they play so many games a season that statistically a single game rounds down to ZERO - pointless. and the fact you don't even have to hit a ball or run, you can get someone else to do it because you are lazy. not a sport, a pass-time.

Football - it's become all wrong, they have developed so many complex rules that's it's no longer a game... it's a sports-debacle dictated by refs and politics.

Darts is probably the only game that actually makes full sense.... throw things at a board, the points add up, the total points to win and the rules are all well known BEFORE a match starts, no player ever gets an advantage, refs can't change the game... that's a real sport.. although I'm on the fence because their heart-rate never gets above mine while I sit on the couch watching it... so certainly not an athletic sport.

I joke light-hearted in all this, I have no skin in the game - FIFA will never attract Americans interest beyond minimal if they don't fix that... American's won't accept that lack of rules and time... now if there were rules - we wouldn't play by them... they just have to be present and clear.
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Again, your games stop at random times, injury time is not confusing. At 45 and 90 mins the ref notes added time for injuries and rolling about, then pretty much sticks to it. There's a clock top left of screen that shows he countdown.

Not sure of the confusion.
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