G90 M5 Sedan & G99 M5 Touring will have 700HP from S68 Hybrid Engine

ThesaVeliona · 11-15-2022, 11:38 AM

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700 BHP Stock.

Who cares about 700hp when it weighs as much as a building though.

The minute an car goes Hybrid, no one cares about the extra power, weight is the main priority. It's not like BMW is gonna remove the Drift mode. Chillax!

G30M · 11-15-2022, 11:38 AM

just looked at nationwide listings - there are 5 times more G8x M3/M4 for sale than there are M340i

but I don't want a heavy M3 ... i actually want a 6 speed manual GR86!

sorry not sure why my callsign is G99M5 ... will sort it !

ThesaVeliona · 11-15-2022, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by G99M5

just looked at nationwide listings - there are 5 times more G8x M3/M4 for sale than there are M340i

but I don't want a heavy M3 ... i actually want a 6 speed manual GR86!

sorry not sure why my callsign is G99M5 ... will sort it !

But you have an F8x picture and I always thought you wanted like F82.

EDIT: The base models aren't that heavy. Just remember that M4 Competition Convertible is two tonnes.

Mako · 11-15-2022, 11:50 AM

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Just like with the new C63, either go full electric or stick with the combustion only option. Hybrid doesn't make sense.

Isnt the new C63 a hybrid with 4cyl?

Correct, they should have stuck with V8 or gone full electric

Point was if you are getting the weight penalty, go full electric.

These government regulations won't stick, just like the fleet average mandates didn't. They will lower them when they realize it's not achievable and will destroy the new/used car markets (people can't afford them and it will drive up used car prices again).

Mako · 11-15-2022, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by G99M5

just looked at nationwide listings - there are 5 times more G8x M3/M4 for sale than there are M340i

but I don't want a heavy M3 ... i actually want a 6 speed manual GR86!

sorry not sure why my callsign is G99M5 ... will sort it !

Wait what? You trying to say M3 is heavier than M340? They are almost identical weight.

And where do you get these numbers?
Quick Autotrader search for 2022-2023 new and used show double the M340i as M3/M4 and that's not even looking at price since used M3/M4 are selling at or above their msrp (which is why so many are listed, people still trying to profit on it)

M3WC · 11-15-2022, 12:11 PM

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And probably weigh as much as an elephant! Big HP to keep up with Big weight.

Unfortunately, yes.

If C63 dropped a V8 for a 4cylinder plus hybrid setup and weighs 4,650. Keeping the heavier V8 and adding a hybrid drivetrain will certainly add up to a lot of weight.

G30M · 11-15-2022, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mako

Wait what? You trying to say M3 is heavier than M340? They are almost identical weight.

And where do you get these numbers?
Quick Autotrader search for 2022-2023 new and used show double the M340i as M3/M4 and that's not even looking at price since used M3/M4 are selling at or above their msrp (which is why so many are listed, people still trying to profit on it)

M3 here are selling at 20% discount (very lightly used) so are the handful of m340i

I mean I wanted more power more everything but actually I want a lighter car to throw around the track and the gr86 looks very well balanced. Will be eaten alive on the straights but that's not the point.

zuschnell · 11-15-2022, 12:58 PM

I know the car will be heavy, but adding in the instant torque from battery should give it quite an acceleration punch. Never really have to wait on the turbos to spool up for the acceleration kick. I'll be excited to test drive a touring when it comes out.

RAUDERRIPPER · 11-15-2022, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 10"

HP = 😴😴😴🥱

Wake me when they've made it lighter
and it "only" has 500hp.

Guess I will be sleeping forever!

Thats called e60-f90 m5 😂 this thing gonna make the f90 look like a featherweight

NGT2 · 11-15-2022, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by xmanpro

BMW knows what they are doing, this thing is gonna be lit.

Wish they'd just go ahead and release it. Not just the M, but the entire new 5 series. Sick of looking at the new 2 and 7.

xmanpro · 11-15-2022, 01:53 PM

Agreed.

440i6MT · 11-15-2022, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NGT2

Wish they'd just go ahead and release it. Not just the M, but the entire new 5 series. Sick of looking at the new 2 and 7.

It will resemble the new E-series. I.e. big

NGT2 · 11-15-2022, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 440i6MT

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Wish they'd just go ahead and release it. Not just the M, but the entire new 5 series. Sick of looking at the new 2 and 7.

It will resemble the new E-series. I.e. big

Well that's just a given, these days. Looks like the new E450 is 400 lbs heavier than my 540. Not sure about exterior dimensions

Sorry - I was looking at the current E class. Never mind.

will0621 · 11-15-2022, 04:59 PM

the m5 hybrid really needs 750hp with the added weight to stay competitive with the gt63s e performance (831hp, 5200lbs). At 700hp it needs to weigh less than 4750lbs to stay on par with the f90 power to weight ratio. Unless they add rear wheel steering, it won’t be a jump performance wise over the f90.

Maybe they’re reserving a 750hp version for the red label or whatever it’s called as the e performance competitor.

Not a fan of these hybrid systems but it’s futile to not expect otherwise at this point.

418BUC · 11-15-2022, 05:44 PM

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I don't understand why they are making this a hybrid. I mean the V8 turbo can be tuned to 700hp on its own without all the added weight of the electric motor.

Just like with the new C63, either go full electric or stick with the combustion only option. Hybrid doesn't make sense.

It's called government regulations

And emissions

MilehighM3 · 11-15-2022, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 418BUC

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I don't understand why they are making this a hybrid. I mean the V8 turbo can be tuned to 700hp on its own without all the added weight of the electric motor.

Just like with the new C63, either go full electric or stick with the combustion only option. Hybrid doesn't make sense.

It's called government regulations

And emissions

Mandated by the government. They always know what's best.

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GTP_M3 · 11-15-2022, 07:06 PM

Do these engines have the same issues as the F10 M5 models? I believe if my memory serves me correctly they were related to the rod bearings on cars with 60k+ miles, often times tuned.

AHall · 11-15-2022, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 6speed_M2

Do these engines have the same issues as the F10 M5 models? I believe if my memory serves me correctly they were related to the rod bearings on cars with 60k+ miles, often times tuned.

What engines are you referring to? If it is tuned, and fails, how is it a problem with the engine?

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TonyTone · 11-15-2022, 07:28 PM

Very cool

GTP_M3 · 11-15-2022, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 6speed_M2

Do these engines have the same issues as the F10 M5 models? I believe if my memory serves me correctly they were related to the rod bearings on cars with 60k+ miles, often times tuned.

What engines are you referring to? If it is tuned, and fails, how is it a problem with the engine?

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The gen in the F10 M5…

I'm not sure if there haven't been mechanical changes since then.

I also mentioned, "often times tuned", because I've heard of them happening to stock cars and modded, one of which had a Dinan tune.

This might've been the wrong forum to comment on & ask. My apologies.

FC05 · 11-15-2022, 09:00 PM

It's all about marketing and pricing, they need new things to go alongside pairing with their Motorsport stories (which isn't really much to tell for years) just like what AMG been doing, the pointless hybridization is a MUST and politically correct thing to do.

NGT2 · 11-15-2022, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AHall

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Originally Posted by 6speed_M2

Do these engines have the same issues as the F10 M5 models? I believe if my memory serves me correctly they were related to the rod bearings on cars with 60k+ miles, often times tuned.

What engines are you referring to? If it is tuned, and fails, how is it a problem with the engine?

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The gen in the F10 M5…

I'm not sure if there haven't been mechanical changes since then.

I also mentioned, "often times tuned", because I've heard of them happening to stock cars and modded, one of which had a Dinan tune.

This might've been the wrong forum to comment on & ask. My apologies.

I think there have been significant upgrades to both the V8 in the M5 and 550 and also the I6 in the 540 (previously 535). You'd have to look around the forums to find the changes but they've been discussed plenty. Hope that answers your question, at least a little.

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