[minn19]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I live in Belgium . Born in Belgium . That's why I'm a Belgian.

You 'always use every opportunity to show your hate vs MAX and the entire Red Bull Team.
(As usual)!
There is no need to say in which camp you live in .

Furthermore , I wish you a very nice day or whatever ..

Again, in fantasy land, I used to be a huge fan of RB when Vettel was there. I also have really nothing against Max, except for some things he did when he was a younger driver. He never accepts blame for his own racing incidents, but that is nearly every driver. His dad is not a great guy too say the least. I haven't been a fan of Horner for quite awhile either, that is true.

Just for fun, walk me through how you know she provocatively seduced him and she had it all planned out?

So if you are born in Belgium etc etc you are obligated to defend everything Verstappen/Red Bull?

This is also your usual deflection/straw man techniques.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I live in Belgium . Born in Belgium . That's why I'm a Belgian.

You 'always use every opportunity to show your hate vs MAX and the entire Red Bull Team.
(As usual)!
There is no need to say in which camp you live in .

Furthermore , I wish you a very nice day or whatever ..

MAX is not going anywhere and is not taken in by all the BS
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/v...ears/10583916/

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by minn19

Again, in fantasy land, I used to be a huge fan of RB when Vettel was there. I also have really nothing against Max, except for some things he did when he was a younger driver. He never accepts blame for his own racing incidents, but that is nearly every driver. His dad is not a great guy too say the least. I haven't been a fan of Horner for quite awhile either, that is true.

Just for fun, walk me through how you know she provocatively seduced him and she had it all planned out?

So if you are born in Belgium etc etc you are obligated to defend everything Verstappen/Red Bull?

This is also your usual deflection/straw man techniques.

Do you know and do you mail with the leader of the Orange Army , actually the right hand from Jos personally ?

Did you met MAX and Jos in Belgium at the karting track (Genk) ?
I don't think so !

Have you personally seen MAX racing here in Belgium (Genk) ?
Home of Champions in Genk => https://www.homeofchampions.be/
I don't think so !

Do you live just 20 min. from where MAX is born in Belgium ?
I don't think so !

The rest that I know is private .
And actually that's too much for you and this forum.
I know , it can hurt if you know nothing...Some say It's butthurt !

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

MAX is not going anywhere and is not taken in by all the BS
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/v...ears/10583916/

Why would he change A.Newey's RB20 for a BlitzKrieg 5H1Tbox ?

[minn19]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Do you know and do you mail with the leader of the Orange Army , actually the right hand from Jos personally ?

Did you met MAX and Jos in Belgium at the karting track (Genk) ?
I don't think so !

Have you personally seen MAX racing here in Belgium (Genk) ?
Home of Champions in Genk => https://www.homeofchampions.be/
I don't think so !

Do you live just 20 min. from where MAX is born in Belgium ?
I don't think so !

The rest that I know is private .
And actually that's too much for you and this forum.
I know , it can hurt if you know nothing...Some say It's butthurt !

Are you trying to say you know everything because of the above reasons? Not sure how meeting a kid and his dad at a karting track when they were younger has anything to do with anything. We already know you are a super fan too say the least, that’s the only thing you’ve ever proven with all of your previous rants like this.

What am I supposed to butthurt about?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Why would he change A.Newey's RB20 for a BlitzKrieg 5H1Tbox ?

The journos seem to think he will change, what a bunch of wallies

[Innovade]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Do you know and do you mail with the leader of the Orange Army , actually the right hand from Jos personally ?

Did you met MAX and Jos in Belgium at the karting track (Genk) ?
I don't think so !

Have you personally seen MAX racing here in Belgium (Genk) ?
Home of Champions in Genk => https://www.homeofchampions.be/
I don't think so !

Do you live just 20 min. from where MAX is born in Belgium ?
I don't think so !

The rest that I know is private .
And actually that's too much for you and this forum.
I know , it can hurt if you know nothing...Some say It's butthurt !

cringe post

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by minn19

Are you trying to say you know everything because of the above reasons? Not sure how meeting a kid and his dad at a karting track when they were younger has anything to do with anything. We already know you are a super fan too say the least, that’s the only thing you’ve ever proven with all of your previous rants like this.

What am I supposed to butthurt about?

We still don't know where you was in 2023 ?
2023 was the year when MAX won '19 races .
BTW : In just 'one season !
That's a new F1 World Record...

But it looks like you suddenly showed up at the right moment !
Great timing . We really missed you !

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

MAX is not going anywhere and is not taken in by all the BS
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/v...ears/10583916/

"The intention is absolutely to stay with this team because I really enjoy it and I am happy within the team. As long as we perform, there is no reason to leave."

Thai ownership is keeping Horner.
Max is staying with Red Bull.

So what will be the next gossip for F1 media?

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Speak for yourself. I’ve stopped being inappropriate when I was a kid. I’ve known where the line is for decades. So should any Millennial and older.

I don’t know what the accusations are. And I’m for second chances. But if it’s serious, that’s more than a reprimand. Ask Briatore.

It's inappropriate and judgmental to assume prior generations don't know better!!! Respect your elders

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by M3WC

"The intention is absolutely to stay with this team because I really enjoy it and I am happy within the team. As long as we perform, there is no reason to leave."

Thai ownership is keeping Horner.
Max is staying with Red Bull.

So what will be the next gossip for F1 media?

That's easy, Ben Sulayem and then maybe it will all pipe down and return to F1.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

That's easy, Ben Sulayem and then maybe it will all pipe down and return to F1.

Drunk or sober , Ben won't last long as the FIA president !

#RaceFixerGate

[minn19]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

We still don't know where you was in 2023 ?
2023 was the year when MAX won '19 races .
BTW : In just 'one season !
That's a new F1 World Record...

But it looks like you suddenly showed up at the right moment !
Great timing . We really missed you !

More dodging and this has to do with exactly what regarding the current topic?

There isn’t really much to talk about when Max is winning by 20-30 seconds a race.

Only somewhat interesting thing is the HAM to Ferrari at the expense of Sainz. Which, IIRC, I posted here before I think is a mistake by Ferrari.

Am I only allowed to post at certain times?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Drunk or sober , Ben won't last long as the FIA president !

#RaceFixerGate

At the Paris awards handouts, the Fia committee doesn't forget.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by minn19

More dodging and this has to do with exactly what regarding the current topic?

There isn’t really much to talk about when Max is winning by 20-30 seconds a race.

Only somewhat interesting thing is the HAM to Ferrari at the expense of Sainz. Which, IIRC, I posted here before I think is a mistake by Ferrari.

Am I only allowed to post at certain times?

Yes, big mistake, SAI deserves better #FerrariThings

[G30M]

Originally Posted by M3WC

"The intention is absolutely to stay with this team because I really enjoy it and I am happy within the team. As long as we perform, there is no reason to leave."

Thai ownership is keeping Horner.
Max is staying with Red Bull.

So what will be the next gossip for F1 media?

Answer is easy

the biggest question is how will Jos respond?

shut up and put up or destroy the team against Max' wishes?

"Asked if he agreed with his father’s assessment that Red Bull risked being torn apart if Horner stayed, Verstappen said: “I don't know. I mean, I hope not.... It shouldn't be."

find out, in the next episode of, who wants to own Red Bull and be a millionaire

unless of course everything we've heard are lies, Jos never did this, Max never said that, etc

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by minn19

how much of an idiot (vast understatement) Horner is. He most certainly knew he is (maybe was in the near future) married and he also certainly knew what this would do to the team. He is in a power position over a subordinate employee as well, a huge no no in companies today. He of all should definitely have known better for a large number of reasons.

Horner got blinded by success and fame - hubris brought him down. And if it didn't yet, collective contempt for his actions and crisis management to save his face, his position and his marriage, may haunt him for a long-long time: what do other RBR employees *really* think about Horner's integrity and sense of responsibility right now ?

"Hubris (/ˈhjuːbrɪs/, from ancient Greek ὕβρις) describes a personality quality of extreme or foolish pride or dangerous overconfidence, often in combination with (or synonymous with) arrogance. In its ancient Greek context, it typically describes behavior that defies the norms of behavior or challenges the gods which, in turn, brings about the downfall of the perpetrator of hubris. The adjectival form of the noun hubris is "hubristic". Hubris is usually perceived as a characteristic of an individual rather than a group, although the group the offender belongs to may suffer collateral consequences from the wrongful act. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence, accomplishments or capabilities."

And Jos Verstappen needs no introduction - his reputation precedes him.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

It’s getting more gooder.

The gift that keeps on giving, featuring Horner struggling to control fishtailing antics with Armco barriers getting closer. A crash in super slow motion.

A new day, a couple of new developments:

"Because of Red Bull and Horner: Sodom and Gomorrah in Formula 1"
F1-Insider (Germany) - March 6, 2024
Original - German:
https://f1-insider.com/formel-1-red-...stappen-62322/

Google translation - German to English:
http://itools.com/tool/google-transl...age-translator

"Because of Red Bull and Horner: Sodom and Gomorrah in Formula 1
Ralf Bach | March 6, 2024, 5:36 p.m
Hardly a day goes by without new information in the affair surrounding Red Bull team boss Christian Horner.

Free practice for the Saudi Arabian GP begins tomorrow (Thursday). But hardly anyone is interested in the cars at the second Formula 1 race of the season. Sex, lies and intrigue are currently the focus of the premier class paddock, where conditions like those in Sodom and Gomorrah have long prevailed. And: Every day there are new reports and rumors about the allegations against Red Bull team boss Christian Horner and their consequences.
The latest news that F1-Insider.com learned: The lawyer for the Thai majority shareholders of Red Bull Racing and Horner is said to have officially terminated the employee who initiated the alleged sexual assault case on Monday. She now wants to sue against the dismissal in an English labor court and is expected to have the support of the Austrian faction around Didi Mateschitz heir Mark Mateschitz and CEO Oliver Mintzlaff.
On Monday there was also a meeting between the head of the Thai owner family, Chalerm Yoovidhya (73), and the Verstappen clan in Dubai. Jos Verstappen, father of Red Bull superstar Max (26), celebrated his 53rd birthday there with his closest circle, including his son Max and his sponsor Helmut Marko.

Jos Verstappen with a race track ban?
History: Jos Verstappen publicly called for team boss Horner's head during the first Grand Prix in Bahrain. According to F1 insider information, the fronts have apparently even hardened after the meeting. Max Verstappen - loyal to his father and Helmut Marko - is said to have threatened to go public if Horner continued to be supported.
Meanwhile, some English media are reporting that Jos Verstappen is no longer allowed to attend the races after the Bahrain incident. Alone: ​​The former Formula 1 driver and ex-teammate of Michael Schumacher knows nothing about this. Jos Verstappen to F1 Insider: “I drive rallies in Europe. That's why I won't be there in Saudi Arabia or the following races. That’s been clear for a long time.”
It seems clear: The Thais, who continue to stand behind Horner despite all the accusations, seem ready to let their superstar go. They believe that design genius Adrian Newey is more important for success than the super talent from the Netherlands - and they believe they can keep him. The British mastermind is supposed to build winning cars for the Australian Oscar Piastri and the Thai-British Alexander Albon in the future - that's the plan if Verstappen leaves.
Problem: Both Piastri and Albon still have contracts with McLaren and Williams respectively in 2025. But the Thais believe they can solve the problem with money. Piastri also helps: he is looked after by ex-Red Bull driver Mark Webber. The Australian is considered a friend and close confidant of Christian Horner.

Will Verstappen move from Red Bull to Mercedes in 2024?
This shows that the fronts at Red Bull are now so hardened that anything seems possible. Even a move from Max Verstappen to Mercedes this year. A former team boss to F1 Insider: “If Toto Wolff (Mercedes team boss, editor) is clever, he is already trying to put Max in the car for Lewis Hamilton.” Background: The seven-time world champion is moving to Ferrari in 2025. We already reported: Due to an exit clause, Verstappen could leave Red Bull under certain conditions.
Ex-Formula 1 driver Ralf Schumacher sees it similarly. Today's Sky expert to F1 Insider: “There is nothing left to fix between the Verstappens and the Horner corner. That's why I think anything is possible at the moment. Also that Max won't finish the year at Red Bull. There have been team changes in the middle of the season before.”
Schumacher has even experienced this scenario in his own family. In 1991, his brother Michael moved from Jordan to Benetton after his debut race in Spa.

Legal dispute Horner vs. BusinessF1
So much for the sporting theaters of war. The legal battlefield is currently being prepared by the respected London law firm Harbottle&Lewis, which, on behalf of Christian Horner, is threatening the trade magazine “BusinessF1” with, among other things, a claim for damages. The industry magazine published a 19-page story about the Horner case last weekend - with juicy details below the belt.
The magazine also claimed that Horner's wife, ex-Spice Girl Geri Halliwell, kicked her husband out of their home because of his antics. The Brit denies that. His Geri, who telegenically strolled through the paddock in Bahrain holding hands with her husband, would continue to support him.
Worth knowing when evaluating a potential lawsuit: Harbottle&Lewis made a name for themselves when they defended Prince Andrew in 2015. The Duke of York is said to have been a good acquaintance of the American Jeffrey Epstein, who was later convicted of pedophilia. Andrew strongly denied all allegations of being involved in the pedophilia scandal."

En garde ! ... Prêts ? ... Allez !

[Davil]

People are so thick. It was so clear in those screenshots that they had a relationship in the past and she wanted more. It was clear that he said that won’t happen. It was clear that there were many omissions. It was clear he wanted to continue. It was clear that wasn’t going to happen unless he made life choices that he didn’t want to make.

Hence the turn on emotion.

The “controlling” aspect was him telling her not to see or be with a certain person. I think we know who that is.

Then this has now turned into fodder for political games at various levels.

Don’t be a moral politician. Just see it for the simple thing it is.

I liked Joe’s synopsis.

[///MPhatic]

It's proof that humanity beats race-car, or any other type of games.

What I wonder is why people are so shocked to see/hear this type of thing when it's happening everywhere all the time...all the way to the top of the food chain.

So he had an affair, so what, add him to the list and let's go racing.

[M5Rick]

The RB woman in question has been suspended who is not at the main works as of this time and has the option of appealing.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-red-bull.html

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

So he had an affair, so what, add him to the list and let's go racing.