[Hit_Apex]

Originally Posted by KevinM

Maybe. Okay, yes. But aside than the fact that BMW could use a MT than can handle increased torque, there are a lot of BMW enthusiasts who are happy with < 450 lb-ft and want the involvement of a MT. I am fully aware that in the near future this will be available in the used car market only (with a premium for the MT). Which is why I'm keeping my 2002 M5, 2007 Z4M coupe and 2020 M2C for the foreseeable future.

And which one would that be? If ZF or Magna (Getrag), etc had a suitable box BMW would have used it on the G8x already. None of these companies have invested in MT R&D for several years. So, BMW have to justify the R&D cost plus the emission penalty to their line - just doesn't make sense. We can pipe dream though...

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by Rafichicago

We own F90 M5 and i like many things about it over G80 M3 however if it comes to performance differences are marginal even between those 2. With modern cars difference is smaller then its ever been. IMO no replacement for displacement saying is less and less true. Especially with modern cars curb weight getting to ridiculous levels. Hp per tonne tells more about what to expect with modern car’s performance.

Ok, you keep referring to performance, but that's another thing. Nobody ever stated that small engines can't be stronger than big ones. Remind the F1 M12/13 engine of 1.5l with 1400hp in 1986? I presume we don't want that engine in our daily driver because it drives like.... crap.