help, police deuche bag problem

NoTrash · 10-24-2007, 05:19 PM

so i had just pulled out of mcdonalds and some cop is sitting at this bank nextdoor and gives me the weirdest look. Sure enough he pulls out to follow me but doesn't pull me over right away. Then he pulls me over. Says i was going 49 in a 30. So i ask him to see the radar, but he wont show me it. Tells me its teenagers hotshot kids like me that drive bimmers that think they know the law. (ps i'm 16). Then he makes me do a bunch of alchohol tests. Ha yeah, drinking on a wensday night right after school is out. So i'm looking for some help. By law does he have to show me the radar? i live in illinois

Roowah · 10-24-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NoTrash

so i had just pulled out of mcdonalds and some cop is sitting at this bank nextdoor and gives me the weirdest look. Sure enough he pulls out to follow me but doesn't pull me over right away. Then he pulls me over. Says i was going 49 in a 30. So i ask him to see the radar, but he wont show me it. Tells me its teenagers hotshot kids like me that drive bimmers that think they know the law. (ps i'm 16). Then he makes me do a bunch of alchohol tests. Ha yeah, drinking on a wensday night right after school is out. So i'm looking for some help. By law does he have to show me the radar? i live in illinois

Were you doing 49 in a 30? I'm not sure about Illinois law, but here in MA they are not obligated to show you the radar readout. You didn't mention whether you received a ticket, but I assume you did. I'd recommend going the lawyer route as I would imagine that being a new driver with a speeding ticket will dramatically increase your insurance rates. It'll probably be cheaper than having to pay the higher premium.

AndrewAZ · 10-24-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NoTrash

so i had just pulled out of mcdonalds and some cop is sitting at this bank nextdoor and gives me the weirdest look. Sure enough he pulls out to follow me but doesn't pull me over right away. Then he pulls me over. Says i was going 49 in a 30. So i ask him to see the radar, but he wont show me it. Tells me its teenagers hotshot kids like me that drive bimmers that think they know the law. (ps i'm 16). Then he makes me do a bunch of alchohol tests. Ha yeah, drinking on a wensday night right after school is out. So i'm looking for some help. By law does he have to show me the radar? i live in illinois

Did you get a ticket? If not dont worry about it cops dont have to show you crap until you go to court. Thats what the discovery stage is for..

NoTrash · 10-24-2007, 05:31 PM

I had just reached the speed limit when he saw me. Also he told me using his radar he got me at 49, and now looking at the ticket, it says he didn't use a radar

NoTrash · 10-24-2007, 05:32 PM

and yes i got a ticket

Sedan_Clan · 10-24-2007, 05:33 PM

No they are not obligated to show you the radar.

AndrewAZ · 10-24-2007, 05:33 PM

So under how they determined your speed what does it say? Did he pace you or get you visually?

3onDubs · 10-24-2007, 05:33 PM

I would fight the ticket....get a lawyer if possible and let him know everything that was spoken....seems like the cop was harassing you

darkcloud · 10-24-2007, 05:34 PM

Well if you have a new BMW you should also have the money for a lawyer. Get a lawyer and go to court.

GAM3OVR85 · 10-24-2007, 05:34 PM

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I had just reached the speed limit when he saw me. Also he told me using his radar he got me at 49, and now looking at the ticket, it says he didn't use a radar

go to court

TurboFan · 10-24-2007, 05:38 PM

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I had just reached the speed limit when he saw me. Also he told me using his radar he got me at 49, and now looking at the ticket, it says he didn't use a radar

how did he estimate your speed? In Ohio, if they pace they have to round down to the nearest 5mph. My father-in-law is a retired state trooper here, and according to him, it's thrown out if not done that way. Same goes for estimating. Don't try to fight the method of estimating, almost every court in the country has taken judicial notice that a police officer has specific training and is able to do this with a high degree of accuracy. You'd have to fight his vantage point and other circumstances of the stop, like ambient light (day, dusk, night, dawn), weather, traffic, etc.

TurboFan · 10-24-2007, 05:39 PM

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No they are not obligated to show you the radar.

I've asked about this too, father in law couldn't think of a single place in the country that required the cop to show the radar. It's an urban myth.

3onDubs · 10-24-2007, 05:39 PM

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how did he estimate your speed? In Ohio, if they pace they have to round down to the nearest 5mph. My father-in-law is a retired state trooper here, and according to him, it's thrown out if not done that way. Same goes for estimating. Don't try to fight the method of estimating, almost every court in the country has taken judicial notice that a police officer has specific training and is able to do this with a high degree of accuracy. You'd have to fight his vantage point and other circumstances of the stop, like ambient light (day, dusk, night, dawn), weather, traffic, etc.

I think without a lawyer in general, he wouldn't have a chance....a traffic lawyer will know all this stuff

NoTrash · 10-24-2007, 05:42 PM

it says for method: Marked

NoTrash · 10-24-2007, 05:43 PM

and yes i plan on going to court

3onDubs · 10-24-2007, 05:43 PM

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it says for method: Marked

I'm going to guess that this means radar....

NoTrash · 10-24-2007, 05:46 PM

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I'm going to guess that this means radar....

On the ticket, there are other boxes to mark for H.H. Radar and Radar

schneid4323 · 10-24-2007, 05:47 PM

suck it up, get a lawyer.

3onDubs · 10-24-2007, 05:48 PM

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On the ticket, there are other boxes to mark for H.H. Radar and Radar

Hmmm...either way, if you weren't speeding, fight it for sure.

NoTrash · 10-24-2007, 05:48 PM

oh and what i forgot to say, was that i was approaching a stop sign also so i was just starting to slow down to, so i was probably under the speed limit lol. i was sitting at the stop sign when he finally pulled out, if that makes any difference

schneid4323 · 10-24-2007, 05:51 PM

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oh and what i forgot to say, was that i was approaching a stop sign also so i was just starting to slow down to, so i was probably under the speed limit lol. i was sitting at the stop sign when he finally pulled out, if that makes any difference

no, ive gotten pulled over stopped 5 blocks down the road because of a sign that says "Your Speed: XX"

TurboFan · 10-24-2007, 05:55 PM

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I think without a lawyer in general, he wouldn't have a chance....a traffic lawyer will know all this stuff

well, yeah. If you've never been to court, get a lawyer. I'm 3 for 5 w/o a lawyer, 1/1 with! Got railroaded once on my own, lawyer would have helped, and the other, well, I was guilty as hell!

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NoTrash Private First Class 15 Rep 133 Posts Drives: Lexus IS350 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bloomington IN iTrader: (0)	help, police deuche bag problem so i had just pulled out of mcdonalds and some cop is sitting at this bank nextdoor and gives me the weirdest look. Sure enough he pulls out to follow me but doesn't pull me over right away. Then he pulls me over. Says i was going 49 in a 30. So i ask him to see the radar, but he wont show me it. Tells me its teenagers hotshot kids like me that drive bimmers that think they know the law. (ps i'm 16). Then he makes me do a bunch of alchohol tests. Ha yeah, drinking on a wensday night right after school is out. So i'm looking for some help. By law does he have to show me the radar? i live in illinois
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NoTrash Private First Class 15 Rep 133 Posts Drives: Lexus IS350 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bloomington IN iTrader: (0)	I had just reached the speed limit when he saw me. Also he told me using his radar he got me at 49, and now looking at the ticket, it says he didn't use a radar
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AndrewAZ Major 142 Rep 1,243 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	So under how they determined your speed what does it say? Did he pace you or get you visually?
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NoTrash Private First Class 15 Rep 133 Posts Drives: Lexus IS350 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bloomington IN iTrader: (0)	oh and what i forgot to say, was that i was approaching a stop sign also so i was just starting to slow down to, so i was probably under the speed limit lol. i was sitting at the stop sign when he finally pulled out, if that makes any difference
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