[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by 3798j

From recent comments it appears that there is some common ground between the Max fans and the rest of the F1 forum...the belief that when challenged, Max just isn't very good.

HAM can be only good and fast in a rocket ship !
That's what the world witnessed in the last 7 years .
BTW : He said that himself .

Let's keep in mind , MAX is still the 24 YO 'Underdog .
HAM and his BlitzKrieg isn't used to that , because his A$$ can be kicked by a energy drink maker and a driver with supernatural drivers skills and racecraft in a slower car .
And the underdog is still the leader in the WDC with 9 victories + 9 podiums !

Let's keep in mind , HAM's Brazilian warp-speed :

HAM => 341.4 km/h
MAX => 317.3 km/h
BOT => 303.2 km/h

But IMHO , suddenly it seems that BOT's PU is already losing some ponies .
And I'm pretty sure , HAM is really worried about that .

HAM's new PU is tuned to the max . this while his ICE was replaced ,and his turbo was upgraded .
BOT was able to run 2,500 km with the near full power mappings , but he's losing some ponies now.
And the possibility is there that his PU can blow at 7000 km.

But HAM's new PU is pushing it even further to (over) the limit with even more ponies , this means his PU will go down also sooner ..

[Steeler]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

HAM can be only good and fast in a rocket ship !
That's what the world witnessed in the last 7 years .
BTW : He said that himself .

Let's keep in mind , MAX is still the 24 YO 'Underdog .
HAM and his BlitzKrieg isn't used to that , because his A$$ can be kicked by a energy drink maker and a driver with supernatural drivers skills and racecraft in a slower car .
And the underdog is still the leader in the WDC with 9 victories + 9 podiums !

Let's keep in mind , HAM's Brazilian warp-speed :

HAM => 341.4 km/h
MAX => 317.3 km/h
BOT => 303.2 km/h

But IMHO , suddenly it seems that BOT's PU is already losing some ponies .
And I'm pretty sure , HAM is really worried about that .

HAM's new PU is tuned to the max . this while his ICE was replaced ,and his turbo was upgraded .
BOT was able to run 2,500 km with the near full power mappings , but he's losing some ponies now.
And the possibility is there that his PU can blow at 7000 km.

But HAM's new PU is pushing it even further to (over) the limit with even more ponies , this means his PU will go down also sooner ..

Again, you talk in absolutes, with absolutely no clue. Facts please, not your personal opinion.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Ah I was waiting to see that steering input from Max at the critical moment,as usual you are the first my friend to come up with the goods
It can be seen that Max is steering away from Ham while Ham is steering into him.

If you ask me, Ham has defended much more aggressively (ie Silverstone) where he took VER out and thought it was OK, so by that same logic, VER who actually tried to turn here was more than OK by what he did.

HAM is a racer who likes to play it dirty when he has to but complains when he's on the other end.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

If you ask me, Ham has defended much more aggressively (ie Silverstone) where he took VER out and thought it was OK, so by that same logic, VER who actually tried to turn here was more than OK by what he did.

HAM is a racer who likes to play it dirty when he has to but complains when he's on the other end.

If you go back a little Alonso has said that some drivers are treated differently by the stewards, generally the ones that are originally from UK are seen in a different light to the ones that are not.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Lol I should be the one who reads my own statements I know exactly what I wrote - I am defending against baseless conspiracies, but you're always one for projection aren't you... You say all the hate on these threads are because of hate and jealousy, well your posts are the pure epitome of hate and jealousy towards Merc and Ham. You literally made excuses for max that his front tires over heated and he went wide with zero data... You're so biased with every single post 99% of the time only Rick agrees with you since he's the only other max super "fan". Even when you offer "praise" to Lewis performance you always gas light it to undermine his achievement in order to make max look better. You may be able to get away with that when the audience doesn't understand these psychological techniques, but not with me.
I've called this behaviour out many many threads ago, and in this thread finally others are pointing out your behaviour. If you want I'll start pointing out every single attempt of gaslighting I see from you instead of refraining until it gets really bad.

You are not capable of determining who's a Mercedes "preacher" because you can even see reality through your warped adulation for max. Literally I said this track is going to be fast and with the large number of high speed corners it'll give the drivers a neck work out, and you reply with max will break Hamilton with his neck? Like what? You literally have an unhealthy obsession with max.

I'm pretty sure , I just touched something .
And suddenly your statement sounds like wounded bambi in a forest .

But you showed your b@lls ; That's what real man do . Congrats !
As you can see, I show mine all the time ...

Advice : Take this with you on your side and see it as a Gentleman's Agreement .

However ,as usual I was able to see through your fog curtain trap that you're a Red Bull hater .

So...I made up excuses regarding the overheated tyres ?
How can I know that ?
That's what MAX said in his latest interview regarding the race incident.
And I posted here translated ..

-Carry on ..

[inTgr8r]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

If you go back a little Alonso has said that some drivers are treated differently by the stewards, generally the ones that are originally from UK are seen in a different light to the ones that are not.

LOL... you're using Alonso as a source?
The biggest whiner crybaby of all time... ask Honda what they think of him

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

If you ask me, Ham has defended much more aggressively (ie Silverstone) where he took VER out and thought it was OK, so by that same logic, VER who actually tried to turn here was more than OK by what he did.

HAM is a racer who likes to play it dirty when he has to but complains when he's on the other end.

Mate . You really nailed it !

-Carry on .

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I'm pretty sure , I just touched something .
And suddenly your statement sounds like wounded bambi in a forest .

But you showed your b@lls ; That's what real man do . Congrats !
As you can see, I show mine all the time ...

Advice : Take this with you on your side and see it as a Gentleman's Agreement .

However ,as usual I was able to see through your fog curtain trap that you're a Red Bull hater .

So...I made up excuses regarding the overheated tyres ?
How can I know that ?
That's what MAX said in his latest interview regarding the race incident.
And I posted here translated ..

-Carry on ..

First off a red bull hater? LOL I was a huge red bull supporter or is admirer a better word because I don't really support teams per say, back in 2013 and prior when they mastered the exhaust blown diffusers, that was an incredible treat to watch, especially when they had renault tune the engine so it would always produce sufficent exhaust velocity even on down shifts. But now redbull has stagnated like crazy, so there is not much to admire at the moment - but we will see in 2022.


Next I am only defending mercedes because you constantly bombard them with baseless accusations.


Oh yeah and I won't be picking a side, I always flip flop around based on whatever cool tech a team makes - because I am here for the tech not the team.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

LOL... you're using Alonso as a source?
The biggest whiner crybaby of all time... ask Honda what they think of him

Whatever Honda say is inconsequential to what he commented on there.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by dbarton62

Again, you talk in absolutes, with absolutely no clue. Facts please, not your personal opinion.

If you can proof to me that you can speak and read Nederlands ,then I'll post you my source and link .
Otherwise it isn't worth it, because I've just translated the text in short in English.
-Carry on .

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

ecause his A$$ can be kicked by a energy drink maker

A gaslighting attempt to make max's driving look better than it actually is. Just because redbull is the team name doesn't mean it is an energy drink team per say. Their cheif aero dynamics designer adrian newey is considered to be the best in f1, their PU supplier Honda is a multibillion dollar company, and rebull is one of the biggest spenders in f1. In actuality it's shocking redbull failed the turbo hybrid regulations so badly until this year.

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Let's keep in mind , HAM's Brazilian warp-speed :

HAM => 341.4 km/h
MAX => 317.3 km/h
BOT => 303.2 km/h

Inaccurate pull quoting numbers to suit your narrative.

https://f1i.com/news/424702-interlag...-them-all.html

Lewis's highest trap was 340.3km/h so another bit of misinformation, and that was measured at the finish line, while you compared it to max's slowest speed measured at the speed trap. This is another gas lighting attempt with misleading information to try and make mercedes's speed delta larger than it is.

Next the top speed at the finish line was norris, and then kimi then lewis. This shows the merc isn't the fastest car on the track and isn't some "rocket ship" you make it out to be. It is just redbull's high rake concept leading to higher drag which slows them down.

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

But IMHO , suddenly it seems that BOT's PU is already losing some ponies .
And I'm pretty sure , HAM is really worried about that .

HAM's new PU is tuned to the max . this while his ICE was replaced ,and his turbo was upgraded .
BOT was able to run 2,500 km with the near full power mappings , but he's losing some ponies now.
And the possibility is there that his PU can blow at 7000 km.

But HAM's new PU is pushing it even further to (over) the limit with even more ponies , this means his PU will go down also sooner ..

Where are your facts?

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Onesie

Source of Hamilton's complaint about Max's manoeuvre?

I wasn't speaking of this particular incident, but more generally. I also didn't watch any interviews with Ham after so I have no idea what did or didn't say after Brazil.
Let's not forget, Ham also did a great job of taking out Albon a few times. These seemed more blatant to me, especially when you consider that him usurping Albon also displaced him on the podium.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Onesie

I'm starting to think F87source works as a carpenter. And he's never used a hammer as a professional, and yet works full time.

Very close lolol, actually I am a lumber jack, and I like to chop these nonsense talking points down.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Onesie

What are you doing in the Brazil thread then? Go to the Silverstone thread and revive that thread with your opinion.

Post some facts and let's discuss. The fact you dislike Hamilton doesn't add to the conversation. Some data and facts might be worthwhile discussing.

I don't dislike Ham though. I think he's a great driver and has taken the best car on the grid for a long time and proved he can drive it as consistently as anyone the results speak for themselves.

[Wakka]

The Silverstone incident and the Brazil incident are two completely different incomparable incidents. At least that's what max said in a post race interview. Can be heard at 12:10 or so into this video:

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

First off a red bull hater? LOL I was a huge red bull supporter or is admirer a better word because I don't really support teams per say, back in 2013 and prior when they mastered the exhaust blown diffusers, that was an incredible treat to watch, especially when they had renault tune the engine so it would always produce sufficent exhaust velocity even on down shifts. But now redbull has stagnated like crazy, so there is not much to admire at the moment - but we will see in 2022.


Next I am only defending mercedes because you constantly bombard them with baseless accusations.

Are you drunk mate ? Or what 5H1T are you smoking ?

Red Bull has stagnated ?!?!

From what I can see is that Red Bull and MAX are making that HAM 5H1TS in his car man ..
We , the world witnessed a decade of 'Unbeatable Mercedes dominance !!!

HAM P1 - BOT P2 in every single race . And sometimes even BOT the lapdog got the permission to win a race !


And where was the rest of the field ?
The rest of the field ran out of sight , somewhere behind the rainbow or they were lapped 2-3 times in the same race ..
Yeah , that was just fantastic to watch ..Isn't it mate ?

But something changed from last year , and a young driver in slower car was suddenly able to beat a 7-time world champ in his the fastest car of the decade ..
And suddenly we witnessed back some tension in a race..

That's why I'm saying : Please let us say : "GOD THANK YOU" !!!
For MAX and Red Bull , because after 7 long 5H1T boring seasons we finally can watch "A REAL RACE" again !!!

Honestly : F1 was nearly burried ,and burned to ashes ..
But in this season - F1 is more than ever "BACK ALIVE" !!!

PERIOD.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Are you drunk mate ? Or what 5H1T are you smoking ?

Red Bull has stagnated ?!?!

From what I can see is that Red Bull and MAX are making that HAM 5H1TS in his car man ..
We , the world witnessed a decade of 'Unbeatable Mercedes dominance !!!

HAM P1 - BOT P2 in every single race . And sometimes even BOT the lapdog got the permission to win a race !


And where was the rest of the field ?
The rest of the field ran out of sight , somewhere behind the rainbow or they were lapped 2-3 times in the same race ..
Yeah , that was just fantastic to to watch ..Isn't it mate ?

But something changed from last year , and a young driver in slower car was suddenly able to beat a 7-time world champ in his the fastest car of the decade ..
And suddenly we witnessed back some tension in a race..

That's why I'm saying : Please let us say : "GOD THANK YOU" !!!
For MAX and Red Bull , because after 7 long 5H1T boring seasons we finally can watch "A REAL RACE" again !!!

Honestly : F1 was nearly burried ,and burned to ashes ..
But in this season - F1 is more than ever "BACK ALIVE" !!!

PERIOD.

Why does everything you post read like word salad? Literally jumping from one point to another with little coherence between each topic. Right because that is a common trait of people who try to make stuff up to suit their narrative, they have to smash bits and pieces from everywhere to try and fit their view point because logical reasoning cannot follow.


1) Yes redbull has stagnated, in terms of car development they have been progressing just fine, but in terms of ground breaking developments there hasn't really been any. It has all really been mercedes.


2) You constantly insinuate mercedes has the fastest car this year, that isn't even true. The W11 was the fastest ever in formula 1 the w12 is not.

Now lets break this down:

1) Top speed, the w12 isn't consistently the fastest in a straight line out right, but relative to redbull it is faster. The reason why those other faster straight line cars cannot be compared is because they do not have the cornering speed to match, which is the next talking point.

2) What defines the fastest car in f1? Overall speed, which is straight line + cornering that is what defines a fast car in f1 (the 2019 ferrari was faster than the w11 on the same track in a straight line, but the w11 was over a second a lap faster around a track because it had much higher cornering speeds this is crucial to be a fast car in f1). If you analyze both top speed and cornerning speeds you can easily see the rb16b is the fastest car this year, its evident in the amount of race wins it has and how many laps it has lead. So your gas lightning attempt in making max look better than he really is by saying he is winning in a slower car is nonsensical. He is in the faster, more dominant car this year as evident by the laps led and wins taken. The w12 only has 1 advantage and that is top speed, which does not make a car the fastest in its class because speed is only 1 factor of the entire equation.


If you want to make the claim that top speed is everything then what does that tell you about Mercedes vs. ferrari when ferrari was cheating and had insane straight line speed?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

In post # 575

[Autobacs]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

LOL... you're using Alonso as a source?
The biggest whiner crybaby of all time... ask Honda what they think of him

Of course they hate Alonso, he called the Honda THEN a GP2 engine.

Politically incorrect, YES. Was it a GP2 engine, YES.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

If you can proof to me that you can speak and read Nederlands ,then I'll post you my source and link .
Otherwise it isn't worth it, because I've just translated the text in short in English.
-Carry on .

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

In post # 575

If your "fact" is only available in some abstract article that can only be found in one language, chances are it is not fact it is an opinion or narrative that happens to suit your own. Because facts are constant, they will be supported by cold hard data regardless of language.

[F87source]

I really hope Max moves to mercedes in the future, then you better hold that same energy about mercedes then (aka max only wins because he is in the fastest car, mercedes is a cheat team therefore max is a dirty cheat, etc).


Who knows maybe if he does move to mercedes in the future George will destroy him, and don't forget George has a significantly better junior career compared to Max and he is probably one of the few drivers on the grid where you can definitively say he is insanely skilled (and it is the driver not the car responsible) because he dragged a williams into the points on multiple ocasions.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

I absolutely understand racing and there are times (plenty in the past) that Max has made very miscalculated, dumb, and immature moves. I see much less of that now and do not believe that is how I remember seeing it at Silverstone. He does have an unyielding, elbows out style, but I think that is partly because he knows if he doesn't drive like that and act first, HAM will do the exact same. At Monza, HAM squeezed him, hoping he'd run into the run-off area only to say he has to give up the spot to Ham because he gained an unfair place by cutting across.

Do you known anyone , who has done this with the Merc's for the past 7 years ?
Note : HAM was faster from 0-200 km/h ...