[Moneygrowsontrees]

Originally Posted by Brake_Late

Mas X Menos lol

It's 51% here in SoCal -
I'm told by my M manager in dealership finance

Ahh that's brutal bro !! East was hovering around 56 with MSD's still a go. But the MF reduction per MSD has been lowered also, it's a rough life right now as far as leasing goes ����

[ScottAndrew]

Originally Posted by Racer20

What are you talking about?

There has never been an M car that's as track ready I'm none stock form as the current M2/3/4.

Yup. I thought that was rubbish too. M cars never never been race ready when sold road ready.

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by Moneygrowsontrees

Ahh that's brutal bro !! East was hovering around 56 with MSD's still a go. But the MF reduction per MSD has been lowered also, it's a rough life right now as far as leasing goes ����

Brutal yes.

Let's get back to our roots shall we?
#CSLROOTS

[Brake_Late]

Originally Posted by ScottAndrew

Yup. I thought that was rubbish too. M cars never never been race ready when sold road ready.

Except the 1995 LTW for example

[Miko M]

Originally Posted by Brake_Late

Brutal yes.

Let's get back to our roots shall we ?

What happened with headrest? Lol
Just kidding

[flanast]

Originally Posted by E46M54325Ci

This is always the fastest way to shutdown the (usually young) hater bros. Acknowledge them and then say you just don't care. "I know your car can beat mine. It's amazing, I just would never buy one."

It's about put up or shut up, and Chevy has been putting up for the past five years and BMW is becoming a distant memory for performance cars. And it bums me out. But at the end of the day, I want performance, track performance. Could care less about badges; I don't own stock in any car company.

[Calvin36]

Yesss!! We need moar crazy models! Eye candy. Can't wait for it to come out!

[TrackRecon]

[FLOSS M]

Originally Posted by Artemis

I got two of those since release. Though my wife sometimes still uses the genuine Bialetti moka pot. She's Italian: "Bialetti, what else ?"



OK, back on topic.

Try the Technivorm Moccamaster 👍🏼

[StealthFish]

That's a lie I tell you...CS M3 and M4 have no dual climate, no blind spot detection or pedestrian and front collision, also no glove box. Racetrack yeah but the only daily drivability is the rear seats instead of the roll cage like the GTS...smh...lol. 120k with no blind spot and heat steering and all of that, is that really going to make that big of a difference? I feel like it's less car for a higher price. Just IMO, it's still a cool car non-the-less.

[deemo319]

People would buy this just for the damn wheels and the rest of the car is a nice bonus...

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Brake_Late

Brutal yes.

Let's get back to our roots shall we?

You mean cars with transplanted engines that were non existent for that era? Because that 3.0 CSL didn’t come with that engine. Basically, it’s a resto-mod. And the back-dating/resto mod scene is owned by Singer.

Right now, BMW has some serious company. Ford with its Mustang variants, with its GT350/GT350R giving a very good alternative to the GTS/CSL (and a better engine note). And yes, the Camaro 1LE. Then you have Mercedes Black Series variants, as well as Audi’s Plus. When others step up their game, BMW must step Theirs up to keep ahead.

[Kadizzle]

Nice!

[ScottAndrew]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

Then you have Mercedes Black Series variants, as well as Audi’s Plus. When others step up their game, BMW must step Theirs up to keep ahead.

BMW is considered to be a strong competitor to those brands, or sub-brands.

Right now, BMW has some serious company. Ford with its Mustang variants, with its GT350/GT350R giving a very good alternative to the GTS/CSL (and a better engine note). And yes, the Camaro 1LE.

No-one here (by which I mean this side of the pond) has tested the powered-up Camaros and Mustangs as they generally aren't available for sale outside of NA. Maybe if Chevrolet and Ford put up outside of their comfortable, captive, value-driven home territory...?

[b.oom]

Originally Posted by R0ME0

Failed product lol

The GTS was there to avoid making use of CSL and at the same time to increase the value of the latter.
And as somebody wrote earlier, I don't believe that in several years there will be CSLs derivatives, since that would cheapen the CSL brand. On the other hand, the top M model will have to be near perfect because it won't let BMW lean on a new name aka GTS to leave space for a better product. I believe wearing the CSL badge would match wearing a crown of an M product overall. Otherwise, you know... THAT will be a failed product.

Oh, going beyond CSL? I think that's possible as well: the GTR. Which obviously mush match a GT3 RS. A super limited production super car, built (mostly) from carbon fiber with a half a million stiker. But this only if they want to keep poking Porsche for good.

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by b.oom

The GTS was there to avoid making use of CSL and at the same time to increase the value of the latter.

GTS is what they call it when they tried and failed to make a CSL.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by deemo319

People would buy this just for the damn wheels and the rest of the car is a nice bonus...

OK, that concept car exists. Though I do hope that if an M2 CSL is ever released, it would get more cues of these renders (source: here):

[2euro]

Question is... will it come to the US?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by nick3753

All I'm saying is that if you're going to market something as "Born for the racetrack" (BMW's words not mine), then it better back that up, especially at that price point. Maybe it will, time will tell. But if it doesn't, then yes, "BMW has lost its way" and is completely about marketing/profits. Again, maybe (and hopefully) it will.

I completely agree - the problem is that they've been using that "racetrack" jargon for some time, at least since the E92 M3 days (I remember it from the website, because I built that car about 100 times online. ).

The competition has really heated up on that front...many other options (and cheaper to boot) for pure racetrack inspired uses. It's becoming harder and harder for M to produce that car with dual purposes...the duality of the M has been the best argument for it in the past...which is why I am sure they think they have to slice it up into 3-4 variants now.

[ScottAndrew]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Agreed and I understand the need for those monstrosities to exist. Without them the "real" Porsche's also wouldn't exist.

All the German brands are watered down nowadays.

They have to be. Without all that shit you hate, the average g/km CO2 of the range is too high. Luckily however, BMW isn’t forcing you to buy one and if you want something extreme and hard core for the track, plenty of manufacturers will sell you an open cockpit 4-wheel motorbike

[ScottAndrew]

Originally Posted by BM dnobagaV

All it does is dilute the brand. It's a joke.

Re: I remember having the "premium" M-car. Now my regular M3 is 4th on the totem poll? *middle-finger to BMW*

That’s branding for you!

[Brake_Late]

There was no such thing
as a 2er when the CSLs were made.
The CSL is a 3er so let's keep it purist.