Further Proof BMW M CSL Models Are Coming

paulo_f80m3 · 11-09-2018, 02:25 PM

Jeez, the morale of us 15'-16' M3 non comp owners is really taking a beating.

JMon · 11-09-2018, 02:25 PM

So is a csl a race car or still a street car? Kind of like a Porsche GT3 RS is?

I mean does it come with no airbags, a roll cage and fire suppression?

M3_Legend · 11-09-2018, 02:26 PM

Looking forward to this

///M4ster Yoda · 11-09-2018, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Thescout13

Same reason Nespresso have 4 tiers of practically the same espresso machine - it drives more sales to the middle tiers. It's a marketing/business strategy that has worked for many companies throughout the years. X amount of people want the base and are happy, Y would pay a bit more for the perception of much different and "better", and Z would pay for the most exclusive version. Which would be the best seller? Y - the middle tier.

Off topic but I just picked up a Nespresso Delonghi Lattissma Pro. Love this thing.

Back on topic.

Just another way to squeeze more cashola out of all of us for minimal performance gains depending on the jump that's made.

Come on guys. Didn't you know. Everyone gets an ///M nowadays

bjcarls · 11-09-2018, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MJCRO

What annoys me is the fact that the best models are released at the very end of the product’s lifecycle. Just release all lines at the same time and refresh them mid-cycle, like every other manufacturer...

Agreed. I'd like to say it'd keep me out of the M3 lineup until I see totality, but, like me, most people have a $ limit they'd spend on an M3.

Imo, a lot more needs to happen between the Comp and CS and CSL than what BMW has shown.

Base M3 - $70k
Comp M3 - $75k
CS M3 - $100k
CSL M3 - $125k

fullstack · 11-09-2018, 02:34 PM

I thinking they're just trying to train people on the jargon. It doesn't mean they're going to offer them. I think the possibility of getting another m2 variant isn't set in stone yet. It'll probably depend on sales of the m2c.

mkoesel · 11-09-2018, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JMon

So is a csl a race car or still a street car? Kind of like a Porsche GT3 RS is?

It is a street legal car. So, yes, the "Born for the racetrack" language is a marketing tagline and should be treated as such. Still, like the two generations of GTS vehicles BMW has produced, these neo-CSL products will be as track-focused as you can get from a street legal BMW.

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I mean does it come with no airbags, a roll cage and fire suppression?

Aside from the roll cage, that's the domain of the M240i Racing Cup, M4 GT4, M8 GTE, etc.

deemo319 · 11-09-2018, 02:41 PM

Just going to leave this here...

M3 Adjuster · 11-09-2018, 02:51 PM

I contacted my dealer about getting on the list for an M2 CSL in 2016.....so..... it's nice to see BMW catching up with the market..

M3 Adjuster · 11-09-2018, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Neptune7

Where does the GTS fit in? (E.g. M4 GTS)

replaced by CSL

PARTS@STBMW · 11-09-2018, 02:56 PM

YAS!

M3 Adjuster · 11-09-2018, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pheerIx

M4 GTS owners be like

BMW has orphaned many "M " owners in the last decade..

1M (replaced by M2)
M2 (replaced by M2 comp)
M3 (coupe changed to M4..)
M4 GTS (in the future will be M4 CSL)
Z4M - no replacement announced as yet
M6 reborn as the yet to be announced " First ever M8 "

etc..

M3 Adjuster · 11-09-2018, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MGM135is

It seems like they are watering down the M brand by putting all sorts of variants out there. Eventually everything will be an M car and then M will mean average.

is that what they say over at Porsche when there are 24 models of 911 and 21 versions of Panamera?

do you think Porsche is also " watered down" right now.. ?

RPiM5 · 11-09-2018, 03:02 PM

Now I'm waiting for the X5M CSL! Lol!

marvinp · 11-09-2018, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Neptune7

Where does the GTS fit in? (E.g. M4 GTS)

CSL is the new GTS, from what I understand.

NickD1958 · 11-09-2018, 03:08 PM

Speaking of residuals, CS residuals will be the same as standard M3/M4 residuals in about 30 seconds. So now everyone can stop complaining and start driving.
Come get em.
Seriously, BMW is about to announce the news that CS residuals will be equalized with standard Ms.

bobloblaw · 11-09-2018, 03:10 PM

I really hope they go balls to the walls with their CSL models, and not just like a CS model with some CF bits you could order and no rear seats or something. I think they will since they have all those other models to take care of other customers, but I'll believe it when I see it.

I also hope they don't take away the CF roofs from the normal models and keep them for the CSL so they can say "we saved weight by adding a CARBON FIBER roof!"

BM dnobagaV · 11-09-2018, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

Jesus, could they slice the cheese any thinner? They have some Porsche product planners working there? Damn. m Sport, M Performance, Full M, M Comp, M CS and M CSL

WTF is the point?

Just need M sport, Full M, and CSL IMO.

All it does is dilute the brand. It's a joke.

Re: I remember having the "premium" M-car. Now my regular M3 is 4th on the totem poll? *middle-finger to BMW*

c1pher · 11-09-2018, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

is that what they say over at Porsche when there are 24 models of 911 and 21 versions of Panamera?

do you think Porsche is also " watered down" right now.. ?

Yes Porsche is watered down when you consider they sell two SUVs and a sedan. Sure they are performance oriented, but I think you know what I mean.

BMW is less of a performance car company, so M and Alpina really meant something when BMW put their badges on a particular BMW platform. Kind of like Shelby to Ford and AMG to MB. If you put M on everything then you quickly realize the M doesn't really mean anything. You may as well change the logo to bMw.

Disclaimer, I own a Porsche Boxster 718.

///M4ster Yoda · 11-09-2018, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

is that what they say over at Porsche when there are 24 models of 911 and 21 versions of Panamera?

do you think Porsche is also " watered down" right now.. ?

I do. The Cayenne and Macan are chick/granny cars

Let's not forget the Panamera is one Fugly ASS car

M3 Adjuster · 11-09-2018, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BM dnobagaV

All it does is dilute the brand. It's a joke.

Re: I remember having the "premium" M-car. Now my regular M3 is 4th on the totem poll? *middle-finger to BMW*

gotta up your game if the only reason you bought it was for a badge..

M3 Adjuster · 11-09-2018, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

I do. The Cayenne and Macan are chick/granny cars

Let's not forget the Panamera is one Fugly ASS car

no arguments here on BOTH counts... .. but it doesn't mean they aren't also on top of their game in the sports car world..

Porsche couldn't afford to build 911s without Cayenne and Macan right now..

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