[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

That is flipping insane. No way I'd ever drive on that. I'd rather live.

You'd never leave your driveway then because that's all there is. Speed is relative. If everyones going the same speed then theres no difference between 25 and 105. This is mostly on highways with exits every 20-40 miles so there's no exiting or merging cars at different speeds.

[kprocivic]

Originally Posted by jpnh

So you're actually suggesting that folks should buy cars based on accessories instead of the car itself?

What was that old expression about the cart and horse and the order of each?

So much for choice eh?



BMW is far better than most...but many BMW's sold are also special order....toyota is one of the worst on glomming stuff onto cars and making it only avail as part of an entire trim level/package increase.

No that is what your saying. I'm saying for the 3rd time now if it bugs you that much then buy a different car.

[Fundguy1]

What happened was cars used to have every option or feature something you could add or delete. Then foreign car makers, especially Japanese, started bundling them because people didn't want to wait for a personalized option list car to be built and shipped. So they offered 3 packages, 2 transmissions, chunked a bunch out in different colors and combos, and shipped them. Other makers saw that by bundling unpopular options with popular ones they couls sell more options. Remember, car makers make more profit on options per dollar spent than the cars. So this pushed profits. Now, if you want one or two features of for example the executive package, you are forced to pay for the others you don't. Win car makers. Lose car buyers.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

You'd never leave your driveway then because that's all there is. Speed is relative. If everyones going the same speed then theres no difference between 25 and 105. This is mostly on highways with exits every 20-40 miles so there's no exiting or merging cars at different speeds.

I forget the rule of thumb, and we ALL break it constantly, but isn't the rule 1 second of distance for every 20 mph or something? So if you're going 80 and the car in front of you passes a sign you shouldn't pass it for 4 seconds? I forget the exact math but it's based on how long it takes eyes to tell brain to tell foot to push brakes and car to react without rear ending the guy in front of you if he slams on his brakes. No one follows this logic but safe following distance is not the same regardless of speed. Taken to the logical extreme that's basically saying I need the same amount of time to stop my car at 10 mph as I do at 100 mph. Unless the logic is the guy in front won't just stop all of a sudden but still it cannot be a linear ratio.

[Fundguy1]

Yes and no. The above apllies if he for example slams into a cement mixer pulling out onto a side street. On a highway, unless you hit a car pile-up in the fog this doesn't apply. Worst case, if you actually are looking past the bumper in front of you, which you should always be doing as far as possible, he hits his breaks hard for no apparent reason,which never happens for any reason. You just need enough time to do the same. Couple car lengths is plenty.

[Red Bread]

I've never used cruise and all but two cars have had it. It doesn't really bother me that it's there, just never used it.

[rr006rbc]

I think back-up cam, lane keep assist, blind-spot detection, pre-collision, pedestrian-collision warnings and all that extra crap is unnecessary.

LEARN TO DRIVE. And learn a MANUAL transmission as well.

My current F80 doesn't have exec and neither will my next.

[M47]

Digital speedometer.. Sure it is cool but I like the oldschool analog.

[ASAP]

In current cars, i would argue 95% of the items... I dont' see how anyone would need any new tech outside of a blind spot monitor (which I think should be a legal requirement in all cars), navi and backup camera... And that Navi being quite useless in comparison to simple phone Google Maps.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by rr006rbc

I think back-up cam, lane keep assist, blind-spot detection, pre-collision, pedestrian-collision warnings and all that extra crap is unnecessary.

LEARN TO DRIVE. And learn a MANUAL transmission as well.

My current F80 doesn't have exec and neither will my next.

blind spot detection should be a LEGAL requirement...

yeah, they made a fuckin bakup camera a legal requirement, when accidents happen at 5 mph from someone too lazy to look backwards... but 80 MPH on the hwy and super easy to miss the car in your blindspot where most accidents happen.. no biggie

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by jpnh

I would be happy with a 400hp inline 6 with 6MT and LSD
Keep the electronic engine management
Eliminate ALL of the electronic stability/traction nannies entirely
Keep anti lock braking but provide a kill switch
Keep airbags etc
Eliminate all of the modern connected car crap and maintain USB
I'll take a normal keyed ignition switch and door locks please

Keep it simple

so basically everyone dead on the roads within a month?

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by ASAP

blind spot detection should be a LEGAL requirement...

yeah, they made a fuckin bakup camera a legal requirement, when accidents happen at 5 mph from someone too lazy to look backwards... but 80 MPH on the hwy and super easy to miss the car in your blindspot where most accidents happen.. no biggie

Blind spot shouldn't be a legal requirement. It's not that hard to turn your head and check all your mirrors that should be properly set for you to see what's going on outside your vehicle.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Blind spot shouldn't be a legal requirement. It's not that hard to turn your head and check all your mirrors that should be properly set for you to see what's going on outside your vehicle.

Yeah. What he said. I find it annoying. ^^^^

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Blind spot shouldn't be a legal requirement. It's not that hard to turn your head and check all your mirrors that should be properly set for you to see what's going on outside your vehicle.

apprently for 99% of people it is, bcuz i have almost been hit 10 times this way

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by ASAP

apprently for 99% of people it is, bcuz i have almost been hit 10 times this way

Stop riding in blind spots. I was taught not to do this. Never had an issue. 800,000 miles. If you've been in 10 accidents like this you may want to consider you aren't practicing safe driving skills with regard to blindspots. I have had people change lanes and almost hit me by mistake. But i simply hit the button in the center of my steering wheel and apply moderate pressure to the center pedal and so far its worked.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Stop riding in blind spots. I was taught not to do this. Never had an issue. 800,000 miles. If you've been in 10 accidents like this you may want to consider you aren't practicing safe driving skills with regard to blindspots.

Impossible in high traffic situations.

I have had people change lanes and almost hit me by mistake. But i simply hit the button in the center of my steering wheel and apply moderate pressure to the center pedal and so far its worked.

As have I, however it never should have even gotten that far.

[roastbeef]

gesture control is completely worthless. other than pretending its somehow convenient or easier (its not), there is zero benefit.
tpms is completely useless as well.
i have never sat in a ventilated seat worth the added cost or benefit.

[E82Chris]

I personally think the electronic dipstick is one of the worst. i like to visually check it myself.

[Caduceus]

Originally Posted by M47

Digital speedometer.. Sure it is cool but I like the oldschool analog.

Me too but it would be great if you could see the thing.

[zinengineer]

Originally Posted by E82Chris

I personally think the electronic dipstick is one of the worst. i like to visually check it myself.

+1

[rr006rbc]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

gesture control is completely worthless. other than pretending its somehow convenient or easier (its not), there is zero benefit.
tpms is completely useless as well.
i have never sat in a ventilated seat worth the added cost or benefit.

Unless of course you have t-rex arms and you can't reach the extra 8 inches to the knob to turn the volume. Then you know, it's worth that upgrade lol.

[jpnh]

Originally Posted by rr006rbc

Unless of course you have t-rex arms and you can't reach the extra 8 inches to the knob to turn the volume. Then you know, it's worth that upgrade lol.

Does John McCain drive a BMW?