[F87source]

Originally Posted by M3WC

If only Merc could hire some of these Youtube engineers.

They did, Kyle was a former Merc aerodynamicist for 2020, helping make the w11 - the fastest F1 car of all time.


B Sport worked for force India, racing point, and Audi motorsports

[NYG]

Originally Posted by F87source

The side pods weren't the sole issue, the side pods just allowed more floor flex. The massive suction peaks of the floor are the issue.

Cope/10

I've seen about 400 different reasons why it sucks.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by NYG

Cope/10

I've seen about 400 different reasons why it sucks.

And what are these 400 reasons? I haven't see anything except it allows more floor flex, and to reduce it you need a heavier floor or stays.

Porpoising is related to the floor being too aggressive and the suspension resonating at the same frequency making it worse.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by F87source

And what are these 400 reasons? I haven't see anything except it allows more floor flex, and to reduce it you need a heavier floor or stays.

Porpoising is related to the floor being too aggressive and the suspension resonating at the same frequency making it worse.

I am interested to see how far into the season they go with the no side pods, they could easily try a race weekend with the larger side pods from the first test. Those giant floor stays on side of Merc have been prone to breaking. The floor is flexing like crazy from lack of support.

[irunalot]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Wont happen in this season ...HAM is afraid in the bouncing Merc !

I can't blame him the car looks downright scary to drive, and Russ is having neck and chest pains from the bouncing. I can at least hope they get it turned around sooner rather than later.

And yes the track really does look great! I'm looking forward to the race!

[irunalot]

Originally Posted by M3WC

If only Merc could hire some of these Youtube engineers.

As a frustrated Merc fan, I want to send Toto some YouTube links LOL

[irunalot]

Originally Posted by F87source

They did, Kyle was a former Merc aerodynamicist for 2020, helping make the w11 - the fastest F1 car of all time.


B Sport worked for force India, racing point, and Audi motorsports

If that double kick that Merc is using on the floor is causing the issue, then it makes sense that it will take time to resolve as a entire new floor is needed. They are more than likely being patient and going through their typical design process to ensure that they do it "right" this time.

Some updates and "trial" parts are coming this week, so FP1 and FP2 should be interesting. I really want to see them engineer their way out of this mess.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Hope the race is real ..

I think that fake marina doesn't send the best message into the world about the USA (or Florida/Miami)..
Tacky and fake is the message....unbelievable that a design team thought this looked good....
Hard to believe that nobody thought it would be ridiculed by reporters etc.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by irunalot

I can't blame him the car looks downright scary to drive, and Russ is having neck and chest pains from the bouncing. I can at least hope they get it turned around sooner rather than later.

And yes the track really does look great! I'm looking forward to the race!

Positive . Wolff said : Our drivers need an osteopath after a race !

Miami 2014 ...

"MAX vs Latifi"
Latifi ran extremely dirty by pushing MAX against the wall !

MAX won the 2014 Miami race with a gap of 0.004 sec ...

[irunalot]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I think that fake marina doesn't send the best message into the world about the USA (or Florida/Miami)..
Tacky and fake is the message....unbelievable that a design team thought this looked good....

That is exactly my point, as a Miami resident its embarrassing. Whenever I mention the race to anyone outside of Miami all I hear about is the fake marina. I have received more texts from friends that are F1 fans about the marina than the race. It's actually a really nice track layout but world wide media is focused on the fake marina. I prefer the layout it to the typical Tilkedromes that F1 has been using.

As you stated, it's not a good look for the US/Florida/Miami.

[FrankMstein]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I think that fake marina doesn't send the best message into the world about the USA (or Florida/Miami)..
Tacky and fake is the message....unbelievable that a design team thought this looked good....
Hard to believe that nobody thought it would be ridiculed by reporters etc.

Hence the term Floriduh...

[irunalot]

Originally Posted by FrankMstein

Hence the term Floriduh...

sigh, exactly my point LOL

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I think that fake marina doesn't send the best message into the world about the USA (or Florida/Miami)..
Tacky and fake is the message....unbelievable that a design team thought this looked good....
Hard to believe that nobody thought it would be ridiculed by reporters etc.

America and the 'show must go on ...

[irunalot]

As I expected they actually like the fact that everyone's talking about the fake marina. Any news is good news is their approach.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/wh...emes/10287567/

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by irunalot

That is exactly my point, as a Miami resident its embarrassing. Whenever I mention the race to anyone outside of Miami all I hear about is the fake marina. I have received more texts from friends that are F1 fans about the marina than the race. It's actually a really nice track layout but world wide media is focused on the fake marina. I prefer the layout it to the typical Tilkedromes that F1 has been using.

As you stated, it's not a good look for the US/Florida/Miami.

From above it doesn't look too bad.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

America and the 'show must go on ...

That flag is making me dizzy

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

That flag is making me dizzy

This one really s@cks ...

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by irunalot

As I expected they actually like the fact that everyone's talking about the fake marina. Any news is good news is their approach.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/wh...emes/10287567/

This one was super funny

(most will know the original video)

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

This one really s@cks ...

At least the beer is good

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M3WC

I am interested to see how far into the season they go with the no side pods, they could easily try a race weekend with the larger side pods from the first test. Those giant floor stays on side of Merc have been prone to breaking. The floor is flexing like crazy from lack of support.

I'm not sure if they will try because that'll be a whole race weekend that they can't collect data on their zero pods. But I suspect with the data they've gotten from the two years they see the zero pod as better.

[F87source]

So mercedes are bringing major updates for the W13 to miami. Images from the race and f1technical.

1) Rear wing: this is a really big one and is a proper step at drag reduction and should get mercedes alot more speed in 2 key areas:

a) a smaller main plane so alot less drag because they had the deepest wing throughout the whole field.

b) A wider DRS flap, merc used to have a really small drs flap because of the contours of their high downforce wing. This should help the power of their DRS as well.










2) New front wing: They have multiple versions of their front wing with tweaks near the end plates to help manage tire wake and reduce drag and sensitivity of the wing when ride height drops under braking and increased down force:









3) Revised beam wing with tapering and twists on the ends: this helps cut back drag and attempts to reduce high speed porpoising







4) Major weight savings: Apparantly they were 15 kg over weight at the start of the season, then in imola they loss 5kg, more weight savings this weekend.


5) Not sure if they did anything with the floor yet, but this should be their key area of focus.

Here is an image:




Lets see if these changes help mercedes close the gap.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by F87source

And what are these 400 reasons? I haven't see anything except it allows more floor flex, and to reduce it you need a heavier floor or stays.

Porpoising is related to the floor being too aggressive and the suspension resonating at the same frequency making it worse.

Lemme know when you're ready to say I was right tho.