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G87 M2

• In production until 07/29
  
• 08/24: engine power increases to 475hp; cosmetic changes including new wheel options. This is not the "CS" or "Competition". Skyscraper Gray, Mineral Red, Portimao Blue, and Sao Paulo Yellow could be the new colors.
• 08/25-07/26: M2 CS, with the wheels off the big brother CS/CSLs, carbon roof, bucket seats, alcantara steering wheel as standard. Automatic transmission only.

G80 M3

• In production until 02/27
  
• 07/24: Gets the LCI changes from G82.

G82/G83 M4

• In production until 06/28
  
• M4 CS will be in production 07/24-06/25. Virtually the same car as the current M3 CS but with two fewer doors and some headlight changes (no laserlights).

So, potentially, an electric M3 replaces the G80 ICE M3 in March 2027. Then an electric M4 replaces the G82/G83 ICE M4 in July 2028 leaving the G87 M2 as the only small ICE M car from July 2028 - July 2029.

Hard to see the G87 M2 NOT getting M xDrive [as rumored/speculated for 2026] and a significant bump in power to remain competitive in this space as time marches on and the M3 & M4 get even faster by going electric.

If it plays out this way, the future of the M2 looks very promising but BMW should keep building the ICE cars alongside the electric ones and lets sales dictate when the ICE cars go away. I think they may be surprised by how many people will prefer to continue buying "slower" ICE cars. Many of them already prefer to buy the "slower" manual versions of their ICE cars so the emotional part of the driving experience still sells a lot of cars.

I've driven an i4 M50 several times now and while it is a touch faster than these M cars, it doesn't leave me with the same feeling after stepping out of a M2/M3/M4. It's not even close.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by hooked

So, potentially, an electric M3 replaces the G80 ICE M3 in March 2027. Then an electric M4 replaces the G82/G83 ICE M4 in July 2028 leaving the G87 M2 as the only small ICE M car from July 2028 - July 2029.

Hard to see the G87 M2 NOT getting M xDrive [as rumored/speculated for 2026] and a significant bump in power to remain competitive in this space as time marches on and the M3 & M4 get even faster by going electric.

If it plays out this way, the future of the M2 looks very promising but BMW should keep building the ICE cars alongside the electric ones and lets sales dictate when the ICE cars go away. I think they may be surprised by how many people will prefer to continue buying "slower" ICE cars. Many of them already prefer to buy the "slower" manual versions of their ICE cars so the emotional part of the driving experience still sells a lot of cars.

I've driven an i4 M50 several times now and while it is a touch faster than these M cars, it doesn't leave me with the same feeling after stepping out of a M2/M3/M4. It's not even close.

I think you are slightly misinterpreting the product plan but overall your point is spot on around there being significant demand and interest in the an ICE M3 and in that timeframe further enhanced versions of the M2.

in the next gen, 2028+ there will be an ICE 3 series on an evolution of the current ICE chassis. With potential (probably likely at this point given how EV growth/adoption trends have slowed somewhat) production of an ICE/hybrid M3 model based on that chassis.
There will also be concurrently an i3 based on a completely new electric only chassis with electric only M models. So its not exactly a replacement for the ICE M3 as the vehicle design will be distinctly different than the ICE 3 series.

[Game]

Originally Posted by hooked

So, potentially, an electric M3 replaces the G80 ICE M3 in March 2027. Then an electric M4 replaces the G82/G83 ICE M4 in July 2028 leaving the G87 M2 as the only small ICE M car from July 2028 - July 2029.

Hard to see the G87 M2 NOT getting M xDrive [as rumored/speculated for 2026] and a significant bump in power to remain competitive in this space as time marches on and the M3 & M4 get even faster by going electric.

If it plays out this way, the future of the M2 looks very promising but BMW should keep building the ICE cars alongside the electric ones and lets sales dictate when the ICE cars go away. I think they may be surprised by how many people will prefer to continue buying "slower" ICE cars. Many of them already prefer to buy the "slower" manual versions of their ICE cars so the emotional part of the driving experience still sells a lot of cars.

I've driven an i4 M50 several times now and while it is a touch faster than these M cars, it doesn't leave me with the same feeling after stepping out of a M2/M3/M4. It's not even close.

But would you take it over the M340/M440?

[hooked]

Originally Posted by xlover

I think you are slightly misinterpreting the product plan but overall your point is spot on around there being significant demand and interest in the an ICE M3 and in that timeframe further enhanced versions of the M2.

in the next gen, 2028+ there will be an ICE 3 series on an evolution of the current ICE chassis. With potential (probably likely at this point given how EV growth/adoption trends have slowed somewhat) production of an ICE/hybrid M3 model based on that chassis.
There will also be concurrently an i3 based on a completely new electric only chassis with electric only M models. So it's not exactly a replacement for the ICE M3 as the vehicle design will be distinctly different than the ICE 3 series.

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

G50/G51 3er
In production 11/26-10/34
Intro models: worldwide 318, 320, M350 xDrive; US 330, 330 xDrive, M350 xDrive.
03/27: adds worldwide 320 xDrive.
07/27: adds worldwide 330e.
11/27: adds worldwide 330.
The above lineup and schedule are preliminary and may be incomplete (e.g. the fate of diesels is currently unknown)
G84 M3 sedan possible within that timeframe.

NA0/NA1 i3
In production 11/26-6/35
Model range: 40, 40 xDrive, 50, 50 xDrive, M60 xDrive
Will be made in Germany and SLP (SLP starts with one year delay).
Will include ZA0 M3, may include ZA1 M3 Touring.

OK, I think I see what you are saying now with the G50/51 platform possibly including an ICE or Hybrid M3 at some point - presumably when the current M3/M4/M2 goes end of life.

And along side that, if the dates above from the OP are accurate, an all electric M3 based on the NA0/NA1 Neue Klasse i3 chassis.

This all makes more sense to me now. Let's hope the G84 M3 [and M4, M2] actually happen and thanks for clarifying!

[hooked]

Originally Posted by Game

But would you take it over the M340/M440?

I don't think so. Maybe I'm just old but after I drive an electric car, even a really fast one, I don't feel like I'm missing anything. After I got out of the M3C and M2 I've driven, I was like...man I NEED to own one of these. I wasn't expecting the feelings/emotions to be so different.

[NicoPalm]

Hey all, first time poster looking for some advice.

I'm very close to putting a deposit down on a new M340i Touring - however the info there is going to be a new LCI has made me pause. Is there any more information about what the exterior changes will be and also when we're likely to hear anything more official?

Just want to make sure I'm not signing up to something that will be obviously out of date in 6 months!

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by NicoPalm

Hey all, first time poster looking for some advice.

I'm very close to putting a deposit down on a new M340i Touring - however the info there is going to be a new LCI has made me pause. Is there any more information about what the exterior changes will be and also when we're likely to hear anything more official?

Just want to make sure I'm not signing up to something that will be obviously out of date in 6 months!

There will be no exterior changes. The car will get the new iDrive and interior design improvements. Your model will not get the new B58 since it's for the US and Korea only.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by hooked

OK, I think I see what you are saying now with the G50/51 platform possibly including an ICE or Hybrid M3 at some point - presumably when the current M3/M4/M2 goes end of life.

No such thing.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by NicoPalm

Hey all, first time poster looking for some advice.

I'm very close to putting a deposit down on a new M340i Touring - however the info there is going to be a new LCI has made me pause. Is there any more information about what the exterior changes will be and also when we're likely to hear anything more official?

Just want to make sure I'm not signing up to something that will be obviously out of date in 6 months!

Wait… the climate controls in idrive 8.5 are much better than 8.

[NicoPalm]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

There will be no exterior changes. The car will get the new iDrive and interior design improvements. Your model will not get the new B58 since it's for the US and Korea only.

Thanks so much for the response. In which case I think I can look forward to owning an M340i ... only question now is what colour?!?

[hooked]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

No such thing.

OK. So the current generation of M3/M4/M2 are the last ICE versions? Your original post hints at the possibility of a next gen unless I'm misunderstanding it? Also, thank you for your time and contributions. Very helpful!

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by hooked

OK. So the current generation of M3/M4/M2 are the last ICE versions? Your original post hints at the possibility of a next gen unless I'm misunderstanding it? Also, thank you for your time and contributions. Very helpful!

That one line is from September 2022. This is more recent by a year https://www.bmwblog.com/2023/09/21/2...nt-considered/. Between me and Horatiu, you should have a very good idea of the chances.

[ynguldyn]

Added F70 specs.

[hooked]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

That one line is from September 2022. This is more recent by a year https://www.bmwblog.com/2023/09/21/2...nt-considered/. Between me and Horatiu, you should have a very good idea of the chances.

OK. Understood and thanks. So this does seem likely to play out:

Originally Posted by hooked

So, potentially, an electric M3 replaces the G80 ICE M3 in March 2027. Then an electric M4 replaces the G82/G83 ICE M4 in July 2028 leaving the G87 M2 as the only small ICE M car from July 2028 - July 2029.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by hooked

OK. So the current generation of M3/M4/M2 are the last ICE versions? Your original post hints at the possibility of a next gen unless I'm misunderstanding it?

That sound you hear is the sound of Hell starting to freeze over. I was comfortable that BMW would see the light and take a more balanced approach to their future vehicles but the more I read the less that looks likely.

[hooked]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

That sound you hear is the sound of Hell starting to freeze over. I was comfortable that BMW would see the light and take a more balanced approach to their future vehicles but the more I read the less that looks likely.

Me too. The first brand to exit performance ICE cars is leaving the door open for others to grab that market share. There is a segment of the market that will actively avoid buying electric cars for as long as they live or can...whichever comes first!

[Car-Addicted]

When I hear that Oliver Zipse was fired I will regain hope. While we are sacking people send Frank Weber packing.

[ynguldyn]

Added G90 specs.

[playswcars]

G90 M5 is heavier than my V8 X5. Jeez...

[phantom7835]

That G90 weight is wild, wonder how much more the G99 will be.

Really appreciate these threads, get even more product detail here than I do at work.


PS: I found some of your old Motorrad threads. I wish there was a better place to do those again without being shut down by people who have no idea what they’re talking about. Thanks again for everything.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by phantom7835

PS: I found some of your old Motorrad threads. I wish there was a better place to do those again without being shut down by people who have no idea what they’re talking about. Thanks again for everything.

Yeah, I kinda found a home for the GS stuff on advrider but not everything else. Where can I tell people that the next year's R 18 will get Brooklyn Grey and Fire Red as paint options? I'm sure there are five people in the world who would care.

[E46forthewin01]

Originally Posted by hooked

OK. So the current generation of M3/M4/M2 are the last ICE versions? Your original post hints at the possibility of a next gen unless I'm misunderstanding it? Also, thank you for your time and contributions. Very helpful!

I think M division is focussed on E-drive trains. There is a lot of amazing dynamic trickery with 4 motors. Future should be bright!