[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Rono63

McLaren has passed all inspections, has not been DQed from any race the last two years.

If RB and other teams engineers are unable to design wings to take advantage of the current rules. That doesn’t mean McLaren is “Cheating”, it just means their engineers are better.

Did RB cheat with the RB19 record setting car because it was designed better?

I never mentioned cheating it was you buddy and bending the rules isn't exactly playing ball with the rest of the field now, like a dirty footballer who has hidden steel toe caps in his boots.
Don't let me remind you of McLaren Dennis's spy gate drama

[Roman]

May I propose the name Hamulleton?

[wizardofOz]

If the FIA can stop flip flopping 24/7 maybe everyone can have some peace some time..

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Roman

May I propose the name Hamulleton?

Business in the front, party in the back

[Killed by Death]

[dumptruck]

“If you’re not cheating, you don’t want to win bad enough.”

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yes . At Suzuka the McLaren rear and front wing was still flexible , but it was according to the FIA regulations (but for now)!
But also the McLaren front wing is more flexible than the wings from other teams .
The meaning of the poster in my post above was :
For the FIA the season begins at race 9. The Spain GP (Barcelona) June 9 as the FIA wing regulations will change in Spain.
So for the first 8 races McLaren can get a free 0.2 sec./ lap advantage with their flexible wings and win races with the flexible wing advantage .
Why not from race 1 in this 2025 season ?

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Well yeah , that's what I mean ...
Of course , the McLaren flexible wing invention is great , but in the first 9 races of the season they can run with it . Score WDC/WCC points and win races with the flexbile wing advantage .
And not only with the rear DRS wing , but the also with the super flexible front wing .
Then suddenly in race 9 (Spain) the chance is big that they need to remove the flexible wings because from then the McLaren flexible wing is no longer according to the FIA regulations .
Why is it in the first 9 races according to the FIA rules and in Spain it will be banned (!)
The other teams can not develop flexible wings in this season because it will be banned in Spain . But in the meantime McLaren gets the advantage from the FIA to win races with the advantage from the flexible wings.
I just don't get it ,the situation looks like a gift to me ..

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Roman

May I propose the name Hamulleton?

I don't know what a Hamulleton is ? Never heard of it..
I don't know man...

What I do know is ,that my hairdresser would get a heart attack (!)

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Rono63

McLaren has passed all inspections, has not been DQed from any race the last two years.
If RB and other teams engineers are unable to design wings to take advantage of the current rules. That doesn’t mean McLaren is “Cheating”, it just means their engineers are better.
Did RB cheat with the RB19 record setting car because it was designed better?

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I've been saying this for years. The FIA shouldn't be able to change rules once the season starts. If a car passes pre-season testing it should be good to go for the year. I don't care what team it is. If they were smarter than others it should be rewarded!!!

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Like a said, if they find a loophole they are smarter than you and it should be rewarded. Like the Brawn double diffuser. It was left up to the teams to figure it out. If you can’t there is always next year. That said I’m a letter of the law type of guy. What you’re talking about is more spirit of the law.

In 2021 Prost talked about smart tricks to gain an advantage, outsmarting competitors. He gave as example experimenting with tire setups (in times when there still was more tire use freedom). After several races, competitors copied his trick. He also had developed with his helmet manufacturer a wider visor than the rest of the field, for improved spatial awareness. Polishing the car to check if it improves performance. For leg nerves/blood stimulation (phlebology) he was advised by a ski world champion (Prost secretly wore compression stockings ["bas de contention"] to have a physical advantage with operating the three pedals, also after an hour of racing), etc.:

See from 24:15 to 30:55

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Fantastic pic of the key people and what I gather is the current PU with its supporting battery. If I'm not mistaken the President of HRC in the middle was the person that MAX presented his white 'rising sun' helmet to after winning at Suzuka 60 years to the time that Honda entered F1.

I remember his face from a post of a year ago. See the picture below: on the left:

Originally Posted by Artemis

No secret that there is lots of mutual respect and appreciation between Verstappen and Honda. Do you consider it conceivable that Verstappen would follow Honda to Aston Martin (targeted by Aramco) (based in Silverstone) from 2026 onwards (cf. March 2023 deal struck between Honda and AM), knowing that Red Bull will switch from Honda to Ford/RBR Powertrains engines from 2026 onwards ? Aramco is rumored to be willing to offer Verstappen and Newey an intergalactic salary to get them on board in the near future. Mercedes is also interested to get Verstappen, but of course uses Mercedes engines and has no pockets as deep as Aramco to pay a top driver a mind-boggling salary.

Why moving when it's OK where you are (apart from the Horner situation) ? Also Hamilton made a bold move in 2013 to switch from McLaren to the less competitive Mercedes car. The 2014 'hybrid' regs and 2022 regs reshuffled the landscape. The 2026 regs may reshuffle the landscape yet again. And Verstappen achieved major F1 success with Honda engines.

"Honda to Participate in FIA Formula One® World Championship from 2026"
Honda - May 24, 2023
https://www.honda-mideast.com/en/news/F1-2026

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Artemis

I remember his face from a post of a year ago. See the picture below: on the left:

Yeah . That's the HONDA president Koji Watanabe.

In 2026 he's on Stroll's (Aston) side ...
I'm pretty sure , the 2026 HONDA PU will be very powerful (!)
And even more in the HONDA electrification technology (470 bhp) and how fast the huge battery will be re-charged to 100% for a long straight topspeed push or an overtake with the 2026 override button .
That will be the key to success in the 2026 season in combination with A.Newey's active aero design package.
Guess we'll see how the cars suspension and wings will move during the QF and race..

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

But within Ferrari the prediction:
Lewis or Charles?

Yuki Tsunoda . Interesting (Dutch) article => https://racing.nl/formule-1/tsunoda-...e-om-kan-gaan/

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

I remember his face from a post of a year ago. See the picture below: on the left:

If I'm not mistaken that's Marty Whitmarsh on the right ex TP and then CEO of McLarens.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

In 2021 Prost talked about smart tricks to gain an advantage, outsmarting competitors. He gave as example experimenting with tire setups (in times when there still was more tire use freedom). After several races, competitors copied his trick. He also had developed with his helmet manufacturer a wider visor than the rest of the field, for improved spatial awareness. Polishing the car to check if it improves performance. For leg nerves/blood stimulation (phlebology) he was advised by a ski world champion (Prost secretly wore compression stockings ["bas de contention"] to have a physical advantage with operating the three pedals, also after an hour of racing), etc.:

See from 24:15 to 30:55

Glad the Prof made it through alive from those earlier 'death trap' cars where a big accident could well have meant death.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah . That's the HONDA president Koji Watanabe.

In 2026 he's on Stroll's (Aston) side ...
I'm pretty sure , the 2026 HONDA PU will be very powerful (!)
And even more in the HONDA electrification technology (470 bhp) and how fast the huge battery will be re-charged to 100% for a long straight topspeed push or an overtake with the 2026 override button .
That will be the key to success in the 2026 season in combination with A.Newey's active aero design package.
Guess we'll see how the cars suspension and wings will move during the QF and race..

Expect ugly everything on the Frankenstein 2 cars next year.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

If I'm not mistaken that's Marty Whitmarsh on the right ex TP and then CEO of McLarens.

Correct. And a couple of months ago, he was replaced at Aston Martin by Andy Cowell (ex Mercedes).

All those folks are like football players moving around between teams.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Correct. And a couple of months ago, he was replaced at Aston Martin by Andy Cowell (ex Mercedes).

All those folks are like football players moving around between teams.

After they play on each other nerves for a time or get fed up they move on after what appears love at first sight

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I don't know what a Hamulleton is ? Never heard of it..
I don't know man...

What I do know is ,that my hairdresser would get a heart attack (!)

Ai?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Ai?

I think LEW is real ...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I think LEW is real ...

I had to ask as I wasn't sure with this trickery Ai now.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I had to ask as I wasn't sure with this trickery Ai now.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Good for him, MAX can be making his own rules now that RBR will do everything possible to keep hold of the Lion to fulfil his contract