[Artemis]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Is it more painful to be beaten by RUS or be beaten by LEC?

Financially, he laps RUS and LEC a couple of times.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Is it more painful to be beaten by RUS or be beaten by LEC?

More painful for Ham to be beaten 2 out of 3 seasons by Rus since Lec is a little bit better than Rus. I think he’s coming to the realization more and more that he simply isn’t that good and never was. 99.999% car when he was at MB - he was just along for the ride.

[HeelToeShift]

Max’s pole was absolutely mind boggling! Again, look where Tsu ended up. Max is about as close to a perfect human robot racer we will ever see. He is able to do what no other racer in history could.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Nope. Not even a top 10 driver on the grid and that’s being generous. If you think he’s so good, why is it that in one of the fastest cars in the grid he is only 7th in the WDC rankings? They’ve had the fastest car for multiple races this year to boot.

I don’t care what you think.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

I don’t care what you think.

Already knew you wouldn’t answer. Hit a nerve did I?

Whatever happened to your statement (I have it quoted) that Tsu was going to destroy Max?

Still think midfield driver in one of the fastest cars on the grid, Ham, will win WDC? LMFAO Lol. Let me guess, you still believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny.

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[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Roman

Unbelievable quali lap from VER! Tank-slapper in T1 and still goes purple in the sector and continues to snag Pole. Un-frigging-believable!
Love him or hate him, that boy can drive.

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Max’s pole was absolutely mind boggling! Again, look where Tsu ended up. Max is about as close to a perfect human robot racer we will ever see. He is able to do what no other racer in history could.

Cybernetics is the transdisciplinary study of circular causal processes such as feedback and recursion, where the effects of a system's actions (its outputs) return as inputs to that system, influencing subsequent action.

Max The Machine post-race after setting the Miami track record (1:26.204):

• Max Verstappen: "I had a tiny moment in my final lap into Turn 1, so I lost a bit of time there. But around here it is very complicated with the tires over a lap. But in the end, yeah, it worked out well, so I am very happy of course to be on pole."
• Martin Brundle: "Yeah, because the back-end stepped out on you in Turn 1, but you obviously had the confidence to just keep pinning it."
• Max Verstappen: "I mean, you can back out of it, uh, haha, it's qualifying, so I tried to correct it and, yeah, just floored it out of the corner."

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Cybernetics is the transdisciplinary study of circular causal processes such as feedback and recursion, where the effects of a system's actions (its outputs) return as inputs to that system, influencing subsequent action.

Max The Machine post-race after setting the Miami track record (1:26.204):

• Max Verstappen: "I had a tiny moment in my final lap into Turn 1, so I lost a bit of time there. But around here it is very complicated with the tires over a lap. But in the end, yeah, it worked out well, so I am very happy of course to be on pole."
• Martin Brundle: "Yeah, because the back-end stepped out on you in Turn 1, but you obviously had the confidence to just keep pinning it."
• Max Verstappen: "I mean, you can back out of it, uh, haha, it's qualifying, so I tried to correct it and, yeah, just floored it out of the corner."

Max has the fastest car on the grid, what is there to be impressed by? Again, Ferrari went from 4 to 5th fastest car and Hamilton still podiumed in a car he barely knows. Max is alright. But in a Ferrari he wouldn’t leave Q1

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Max has the fastest car on the grid, what is there to be impressed by? Again, Ferrari went from 4 to 5th fastest car and Hamilton still podiumed in a car he barely knows. Max is alright. But in a Ferrari he wouldn’t leave Q1

Bruh

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Max has the fastest car on the grid, what is there to be impressed by? Again, Ferrari went from 4 to 5th fastest car and Hamilton still podiumed in a car he barely knows. Max is alright. But in a Ferrari he wouldn’t leave Q1

LOL. Max would be top 3 in the WDC driving the Ferrari and would be roasting Ham’s slow midfield level skills worse than Lec is. Max has an uncanny ability to get 110% out of car. You literally continue to prove you know nothing about F1 or driving in general. And Ham continues to prove he is midfield at best with a fast car that actually when it requires he competes with other cars and drivers. Vasseur himself said Ferrari was the fastest car in Jeddah - but it's not the car, it's the driver. Ham wouldn’t even make it to Q1 with Max’s RB21 - he’d crash trying to get onto the circuit. It is the hardest car in F1 to drive and Ham would be a back marker trying to drive it.
Trust me, people everywhere are now seeing he is not a great driver and can’t do anything when the car isn’t faster than everything under the sun. While Max is like the perfect racer created in a lab and can drive anything fast, Ham needs a car that drives itself to be fast. When it comes to the skills part, the former has it incalculably more.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Financially, he laps RUS and LEC a couple of times.

Yes, he's definitely more of a marketing asset than an F1 driver atm. If only his financial performance was as good as his track performance

I still think it's strange that Team Merc let Hammy go.
I mean, the name Hamilton will forever be tied to the name Mercedes. He's not gonna shine at ferrari with WDC's. Why not give (buy) him that ambassadorship?
Was that really a matter of money? I'd imagine team Merc has money bulging out of the walls.

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Artemis

• Max Verstappen: "I had a tiny moment in my final lap into Turn 1, so I lost a bit of time there. But around here it is very complicated with the tires over a lap. But in the end, yeah, it worked out well, so I am very happy of course to be on pole."
• Martin Brundle: "Yeah, because the back-end stepped out on you in Turn 1, but you obviously had the confidence to just keep pinning it."
• Max Verstappen: "I mean, you can back out of it, uh, haha, it's qualifying, so I tried to correct it and, yeah, just floored it out of the corner."

wait, i had to rewatch the interview, he actually did say that (i guess all your telemetry nerds will be able to confirm that)

this is just like a video game to him yeah

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

MAX's car is damaged !

It was only the wing end plate.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Outside versus inside. The P1 grid position in Miami is a poisoned gift if a 2025 McLaren starts from P2, as will happen also during the GP: divebomb possibility for Norris (if he manages to perform a good start), as Turn 1 sharply turns right, allowing Norris to 'lock out' Verstappen. Let's not be surprised if Verstappen very aggressively yanks about 45° right once the lights have gone out, to attempt to impede Norris from getting first to Turn 1 on the inside. Verstappen only needs to avoid contact and to exit Turn 1 with at least 1 wheel on track.

This is needed to stop the pap bombers.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

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MAX's pole lap that got Brundle tongue twisted
https://www.formula1.com/en/video/on...41604199420201

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by G30M

this is just like a video game to him yeah

I actually think this is quite an interesting remark.
I mean I think Max is in a league of his own.
Even when he just entered F1 and Hammy at team Merc was way way faster and won everything, all the media and reporters were talking about were generally 2 things: Hamilton and Verstappen. Hamilton because he obviously won everything, and Max...because of his crazy talent and raw driving. It was always Max this and Max that in the commentary box long before he became a WDC.
Obviously that amount of media exposure also gave RB the call that they had a commercially very attractive driver on hand even though they were still far far away from a possible WDC...

But what makes him that good?
What if for most drivers their performance is very personal? (I mean, Hamilton couldn't even come to the prize ceremony as wdc runner up in 2021, for which he was fined btw I believe...)
And Max already said years ago that he wasn't planning to stay in F1 forever, maybe til '27 or '28 or so.. So more of a carpe diem attitude.
What if it's all really like a video game to him, in the sense that it's not personal at all, and does this just for fun?
Newey described Max as very mature in his approach to driving in F1 (even when he was still young).
But what if it's not 'mature' but more like 'emotionally distant' and therefore much more objective?
Could that be the key why he's so incredibly good? That he might not have so much emotions attached to him driving in F1 and that it's mainly a hobby to pass time, and therefore makes more objective decisions on track than loads of other drivers?
That an emotionally distant driver makes a better driver when push comes to shove?
I mean he is extremely observative, sees when Lando is out of his startgrid box, even looks at the screens while he races an F1 car to see how the battle between ALO and PER goes on the other side of the track...that is literally the equivalent of driving in a sim race and simultaneously searching on the floor where you dropped that m&m

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Please don't . Charlie is a 10 times better driver than LEW ever was ..
The good thing about the situation is : This means LEW won't even get a silly chance to start a Ferrari drivers war.

Just like today - LEW : My car won't turn . Later on in Q2 he was knocked out by his own beginners mistakes and by rookies in a crap car.
Ohhh...C'mon (!)

Yeah Ferrari Fred , you stabbed a great race driver like Sainz in the back just to get LEW and that was a huge mistake .
Sainz was today P6 in the Williams and LEW P12 was beaten by the Rookie Hadjar . Imagine that (!)
Ferrari shame on you (!)

''Vasseur, do as you're told or Arrivebene is back''

[Davil]

Being back to watching in delay world it’s funny to read these posts on here.

The changes to Max’s car seem to have worked. That car is quick! (Yuki does not have the changes for those that don’t realise it).

Stroll who people hate simply because of being born to a wealthy father again proved that he is a very good driver when the great leveller of rain happens (just like in Melbourne). He made up 11 places and drove a flawless sprint race to finish 5th.

Poor old Fernando has somehow been cursed by the gods this year though people here have decided he is washed up. Today being punted off the track by Lawson when he would also have been in the sprint points with the great leveller helping remove some of the many problems with the AMR this year and letting him show his skills.

Lucky Lando, he should buy Lawson a beer. I wonder if luck will happen again for the main race? Maybe. He won’t get past Max at the start though, that’s for sure.

Unlucky Oscar who made Antonelli look like a rookie at the start. Oh. Hang on. He is a rookie . Ant has been spectacular this weekend. One to watch in the future for sure.

Russ and Miami don’t get on.

Williams getting better all the time. Nice to see.

Ferrari. Well. Williams are now the 4th fastest team.

It is going to be a good race. Great track and great vibe. Sprint was great entertainment. Can’t wait!

[GuidoK]

I don't know if I agree with all your statements, but I do with some of them

I still don't know if the RB is that quick. It's very quick in sector 1, so the high speed corners, but in low speed corners, the mcLarens (and quite a few other teams) are way quicker. like 0,3-0,5sec per sector...
That was already the case but the difference between those 2 situations look to be even bigger now.
Whether or not that's just the track or a result of updates I don't know, but that could give interesting results depending on tracks the rest of the year.
Obviously with all those streetcircuits, low speed corners and handling of bumps becomes increasingly more important...
The RB just has a lot of understeer when going slow.
And then there's tyredeg.... we'll see that tomorrow....
My money is still on the McLarens.

Williams in front of Ferrari... nice for Williams and a very long time ago...
If Williams can do it....then maybe there's still hope for AMR their year is abysmal so far. (I know, next year will be their definitive benchmark to judge with a 100% newey car)

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Bruh

Originally Posted by G30M

wait, i had to rewatch the interview, he actually did say that (i guess all your telemetry nerds will be able to confirm that)

this is just like a video game to him yeah

When I saw the live onboard footage of Verstappen of the GP Q3, giving a quick correction yank at the steering wheel in Turn 1, I immediately thought that his final lap was compromised. But seconds later, purple sector 1 lit up. Impressive. Pole position. What was that ? Looks like he went all-in, very committed and determined in full-battle mode, with risk settings set at maximum level on a street circuit. Flirting with a crash, running on a cliff's edge or dancing on a knife's edge, but doing it as a calculated risk to reach the goal. If it goes wrong (like in Jeddah 2021), it was worth trying. Otherwise you won't end up at the front but safely settle for a spot somewhere in the middle of the pack.

As an F1 driver, he is a league if his own.

This weekend he confirmed again that he's not gonna race in F1 until/in his 40s like Alonso, Hamilton, Räikkönen or Schumacher:
03:20 - 04:19:

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Williams in front of Ferrari... nice for Williams and a very long time ago...

Isn't it though? Sometimes I'll rewatch a race from the early 2000s when Williams had a BMW V10 powering it, and every now and then they would get the upper hand on Ferrari and Schumi. Fun times.

It is nice to see Williams doing better, I'll always have a soft spot for that team even though I no longer have a horse in this race.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by Chihuahua

Isn't it though? Sometimes I'll rewatch a race from the early 2000s when Williams had a BMW V10 powering it, and every now and then they would get the upper hand on Ferrari and Schumi. Fun times.

It is nice to see Williams doing better, I'll always have a soft spot for that team even though I no longer have a horse in this race.

I've been watching F1 since the early/mid 80s and still very vividly remember the first time seeing the Williams car partly disassembled in the pitbox completely moving on it's own....
At that time they were so far ahead of the competition. (this was like early 90's)
And not only active suspension, also great aero (that was already a newey car), a very good engine (back then Renault, with which MSC also got 1 WDC title), advanced traction control etc etc.
It was the most sorted team with the fastest car. No wonder Senna went to Williams (although active suspension had been banned by that time I believe)
Williams was the pinnacle of high tech for a few years then. Hard to believe.
I just never cared for Hill (or Villeneuve for that matter). I was in camp Senna and subsequently camp Schumacher. I like aggressive drivers who seek boundries on track and in regulations, just as I like teams that seek boundries in technology. And I liked Irvine, and I guess also Alesi amongst others in the 90's

That said I should also be an AMR fan as I always liked Jordan as a team, I guess from the times on that Eddy Irvine raced there.
A strange outlier team sometimes succesful and crazy styling (in the late 90's that is). Jordan GP eventually became AMR.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

This is needed to stop the pap bombers.

M5Rick GuidoK Artemis HeelToeShift

Breaking (!)

Red Bull vs McLaren

In Red Bull's latest research, they used "THERMAL CAMERAS" to inspect the brake ducts and tyres of the McLaren MCL39 during pit stops.

Red Bull observed “lots of Blue zones” around McLaren’s brake discs, indicating lower temperatures, while all the other cars showed “lots of Red zones”.
As you know : Blue is cold and Red is hot (!)

Red Bull finds it IMPOSSIBLE for McLaren to achieve such temperature differences with air alone (!)
The F1 paddock and Netflix are aware of the whole situation...

McLaren Zak Brown mocked Red Bull in the pit lane at the 2025 Miami GP when he drank from a water bottle labeled “TYRE WATER”

MAX : I can follow the McLarens in the first 7-8 laps of the race , I can hang on . But then my tyres are overheating and the McLarens disappear (!)
MAX : The McLaren cars do not suffer from tyre overheating.

The 2024 Singapore GP : The Red Bull Team discovered water on the McLaren rims leading to suspicion (!)

Please try to translate the Dutch article on this page => https://racing.nl/formule-1/red-bull...n-van-mclaren/