[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Pretty sure the QFs are out of production like a year ago anyways.

Ended in March 2025. Still a fair amount of new ones sitting on dealer lots though.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by afadeev

Alfa QF - gorgeous, but famously unreliable. Lease one if curious.
BMW G80 - fugly, but more reliable. EOL with MY'25, so resale values will nose dive. G80 M3 is expected to end production in February 2027. Skip it.
BMW G84 (7th gen ///M3) - MY'27, coming to town in calendar 2027.

Lease Alfa QF for 2-3 years, then jump into G84?

IMHO,
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G84 is said to be hybrid and probably end up is a similar situation as the G90 vs F90 - I owned an F90 M5 Comp and it wasn’t anything special (sans the CS) but they’re holding and going up in value. A hybrid M3 will do the same for the G80 which has been strong since inception and would only prop up those values - plus with the F80s being pretty strong as well as just about all gen M3s the G80 should do well long term especially limited models.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

Ended in March 2025. Still a fair amount of new ones sitting on dealer lots though.

Yes they are easy to come by and so are large discounts (10k or more) or you can buy a 2024 with under 5k miles for 55-60k.

[Davil]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

…and it's performance is still more 2015 than 2025.

For someone that enjoys driving more than being driven that’s a huge plus.

Big fan of these!

[floridaorange]

Originally Posted by Davil

For someone that enjoys driving more than being driven that’s a huge plus.

Big fan of these!

Exactly

[erickonphoenix]

A friend of mine has had one for a couple of years now and loves it. Like posted above it's a very engaging car with a lot of character compared to most anything else I've driven. The only complaint he's had is they are expensive to maintain but he moved into it from a Mini Cooper S. Apparently it's been holding up well so far, he still loves it.

[Alfisti]

This may well be last of breed, BMW has gone sort of softer and/or more muscle car orientated, everything new may well be hybrid and carry a lot of weight. 500HP rear drive sedans with a playful/drive me harder master attitude are going to be tough to find.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

This may well be last of breed, BMW has gone sort of softer and/or more muscle car orientated, everything new may well be hybrid and carry a lot of weight. 500HP rear drive sedans with a playful/drive me harder master attitude are going to be tough to find.

To be fair, if you've been in one of the more recent Quads, they are far more softer and compliant than they were pre-2020 models. A lot of the visceral character has been dialed out through sifter suspension, more relaxed damping. I would say the F80 was much less refined than the Giulia Quad at the start but now I would say having owned 3 variations of the G80 (6MT, Xdrive, CS) the Alfa is probably now a bit softer than any of them, especially the CS.

[Germanauto]

Insane car to drive, has that 4 door Ferrari feel. The steering on these is just pure bliss. Interior is nice enough and the driving experience more than makes up for any shortcomings.

Wouldn't daily one with my commute though, don't trust their reliability record.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by afadeev

Alfa QF - gorgeous, but famously unreliable. Lease one if curious.
BMW G80 - fugly, but more reliable. EOL with MY'25, so resale values will nose dive. G80 M3 is expected to end production in February 2027. Skip it.
BMW G84 (7th gen ///M3) - MY'27, coming to town in calendar 2027.

Lease Alfa QF for 2-3 years, then jump into G84?

IMHO,
a

Issue with leasing the Giulia QVs is because their residuals are so poor, the lease numbers don't add up. Maybe if a dealer throws a lot of money on the hood, otherwise better to just get a lightly used one at a much lesser price.

BMW on the other hand has the leasing game perfected to a tee.

[spazzyfry123]

While I haven't owned one, I've chatted with numerous owners. It may be biased to say that none of them still own theirs, but the reason it isn't in their garage remains the same across the board: reliability. Each of them loved the car for what it was and did, but they all encountered crippling failures that steered them away after under-warranty repairs.

[afadeev]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Issue with leasing the Giulia QVs is because their residuals are so poor, the lease numbers don't add up.

Out of curiousity, what are the residuals on Guilia QF?

Alfa's web site is glitzy, but short on specifics.
https://www.alfaromeousa.com/shoppin...ls/2025/giulia

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Maybe if a dealer throws a lot of money on the hood, otherwise better to just get a lightly used one at a much lesser price.

I would still NOT recommend buying a used Alfa to anyone.
Alfa never sold that many QF's in the first place, so finding one that is both clean and still under warranty will be tricky.

In the 100 mile radius from NYC, there are only 6 Giulia QF's for sale, and none are under warranty (all 2018-2021 MY's).

Originally Posted by Germanauto

BMW on the other hand has the leasing game perfected to a tee.

BMW regularly subsidizes leasing (and sales) via artificially inflated residuals ;-)

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[NSXR]

I adore the looks, and they're quite fast, but after watching this video I'd never buy one. Wait, that's not true, the build quality/reliability would keep me from buying one, but this video didn't help.

P.S. The GTaM is a dream.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by afadeev

Out of curiousity, what are the residuals on Guilia QF?

Alfa's web site is glitzy, but short on specifics.
https://www.alfaromeousa.com/shoppin...ls/2025/giulia



I would still NOT recommend buying a used Alfa to anyone.
Alfa never sold that many QF's in the first place, so finding one that is both clean and still under warranty will be tricky.

In the 100 mile radius from NYC, there are only 6 Giulia QF's for sale, and none are under warranty (all 2018-2021 MY's).



BMW regularly subsidizes leasing (and sales) via artificially inflated residuals ;-)

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The cost of a Fidelity Platinum warranty on a low mileage car is pretty reasonable. My friend had a QV and paid something like $3500 for a 5 year 60k mile platinum/exclusionary warranty on a 10k mile car. No idea what current rates are but yeah, it's not that bad if that's the main concern.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by spazzyfry123

While I haven't owned one, I've chatted with numerous owners. It may be biased to say that none of them still own theirs, but the reason it isn't in their garage remains the same across the board: reliability. Each of them loved the car for what it was and did, but they all encountered crippling failures that steered them away after under-warranty repairs.

See this is where I have know several to have owned them and none of them ever reported anything wrong with them. The early 2017 cars and some of the 2018s did but beyond that they have been known to be reliable (Alfa even was ranked highest recently for this). The platform itself has been around quite a while and they've sold many and most anecdotal reports say the same - lot of miles and very little problems.

[spazzyfry123]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

See this is where I have know several to have owned them and none of them ever reported anything wrong with them. The early 2017 cars and some of the 2018s did but beyond that they have been known to be reliable (Alfa even was ranked highest recently for this). The platform itself has been around quite a while and they've sold many and most anecdotal reports say the same - lot of miles and very little problems.

Strange there is so much swing. Must be the Italian lottery.

Same could be said for my M3. I've owned two and both have been very reliable (knock on wood). Plenty others have had catastrophic failures.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by spazzyfry123

Strange there is so much swing. Must be the Italian lottery.

Same could be said for my M3. I've owned two and both have been very reliable (knock on wood). Plenty others have had catastrophic failures.

I'm on my 8th M3 (plus one F82 M4), as well as having owned a Z4M Coupe and an F90 M5 Comp...they have all been reliable. The Z4M made a lot of creaking noises from the rear plastic firewall and the F80 and F82 did also seem a bit flimsy but other than that they definitely were well built overall.

[Alfisti]

We've owned our 2T Stelvio for 5.5 years and my only issue has been a power draw that was resolved by updating the software. Once our lease was up the residual was too hard to pass up at $33K CAD all in with taxes and fees for a 3 year old car with 18,000 miles. So we bought it out and not having a payment is fantastic. Just did the large 5 year service at a dealer and it was $900 all in so felt that was not too bad.

Looks like we will drive it into the ground tbh as the wife loves the way it drives and complains that everything else she tried felt like a "boat".

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

We've owned our 2T Stelvio for 5.5 years and my only issue has been a power draw that was resolved by updating the software. Once our lease was up the residual was too hard to pass up at $33K CAD all in with taxes and fees for a 3 year old car with 18,000 miles. So we bought it out and not having a payment is fantastic. Just did the large 5 year service at a dealer and it was $900 all in so felt that was not too bad.

Looks like we will drive it into the ground tbh as the wife loves the way it drives and complains that everything else she tried felt like a "boat".

This is basically what I have heard from countless people who have owned Stelvios, Giulia models, and Quads - and to boot, most of them had put significant mileage on them (40-60K).

[M-technik-3]

Being we didn't get a GTAV here and Alfa's track record with reliability I'm out. But love the styling and from every review I have seen I want one. Sad it's gone and we never got one.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

This is basically what I have heard from countless people who have owned Stelvios, Giulia models, and Quads - and to boot, most of them had put significant mileage on them (40-60K).

The quads are definitely more trouble and expensive to run. Also need to make sure the turbos are good. The 2T seems pretty strong.

[Efthreeoh]

At Car and Driver's first comparo test, the Alfa threw a bunch of codes. It wouldn't start. They had to grab a OBDII scan tool, clear the codes to get it running. It still won the comparo IIRC.

They chalked it up to being Italian.

LOL.