[Alfisti]

I thought it was still under warranty? These engines are VERY fussy re, fuel/air mix, my gut reaction would be to check the MAF and/or 02 sensors.

M4 is a fine vehicle but that front end, I just cannot look at it.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Quick update here. After 4k miles and only two months my engine threw a fit which was misfiring that the dealer couldn’t figure out. Long story short they decided to blame gas and stick me with a massive bill. I haven’t paid it yet, still fighting, but I traded the car and have moved on. Porsche isn’t all it cracked up to be, at least for me.

This post needs more detail and context. It makes no sense as to why Porsche was going to stick you with a bill on a car under full warranty. Did you tune it by chance?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

This post needs more detail and context. It makes no sense as to why Porsche was going to stick you with a bill on a car under full warranty. Did you tune it by chance?

Sounds like the dealer placed the fault of the car on the owner for buying bad gasoline.

[Pauly Wauly]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

This post needs more detail and context. It makes no sense as to why Porsche was going to stick you with a bill on a car under full warranty. Did you tune it by chance?

“Remember, there are always two sides to every story". Your side, their side and the truth in the middle

[Bimmerfun82]

Yep dealer claimed I put bad gas in the car. Gutted about it.

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Quick update here. After 4k miles and only two months my engine threw a fit which was misfiring that the dealer couldn’t figure out. Long story short they decided to blame gas and stick me with a massive bill. I haven’t paid it yet, still fighting, but I traded the car and have moved on. Porsche isn’t all it cracked up to be, at least for me.

How were you able to get the car back and trade it in without paying the bill?

I've never gotten the keys to a car in for even simple service without first paying for the service.

Oh, forgot to add that your experience with the dealer is very unfortunate. Too bad. Think under different circumstances you would have really enjoyed that car.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

How were you able to get the car back and trade it in without paying the bill?

I've never gotten the keys to a car in for even simple service without first paying for the service.

Oh, forgot to add that your experience with the dealer is very unfortunate. Too bad. Think under different circumstances you would have really enjoyed that car.

It was under warranty repair when I traded it. So my bmw dealer owns Porsche dealerships and they planned to ship it to theirs and sell it after the warranty repair was complete. But after the deal was done, the Porsche dealer changed their mind and said it was not warranty. Very odd and disappointing situation.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

It was under warranty repair when I traded it. So my bmw dealer owns Porsche dealerships and they planned to ship it to theirs and sell it after the warranty repair was complete. But after the deal was done, the Porsche dealer changed their mind and said it was not warranty. Very odd and disappointing situation.

Have you considered the possibility that it actually was bad gas or the wrong octane? Porsche isn't just going to have their techs throw up their hands and say "eh we can't figure it out, charge the customer and tell him it was bad gas"

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

Have you considered the possibility that it actually was bad gas or the wrong octane? Porsche isn't just going to have their techs throw up their hands and say "eh we can't figure it out, charge the customer and tell him it was bad gas"

Are you sure about that?
They tested the gas and it was fine

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Are you sure about that?
They tested the gas and it was fine

I'm confused. Gasoline was tested and found good and yet the dealer blamed bad gas for the behavior?

[slilley]

There are bad dealers out there, but it feels like we are missing part of the story. If it was simply a tank of bad gas, it's not more than a couple hours of work for the tech to siphon the gas tank from the access panel below the battery in the front trunk. Then replace with a couple gallons of good gas and off you go. Unless the bad gas was in fact diesel, in which case I wouldn't be surprised if additional components would need to be replaced (spark plugs, fuel injectors, catalytic converters). If you got gas at a location where the delivery tanker accidentally filled the high-octane tank in the ground with diesel, then it would probably be a well-documented issue affecting dozens or hundreds of cars - and the station's insurance would be responsible for getting your car sorted out.

I feel sorry for the OP here, but it seems like he just made a rash decision to trade the car based on something that may be out of the dealer's control.

[Alfisti]

No way we are getting the full story, there's a lack of detail, nothing adds up. Financially, a GTS is going to hold value like a SOB, the M4 is gonna burn you for 5 to 10K a yr in depreciation.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

No way we are getting the full story, there's a lack of detail, nothing adds up. Financially, a GTS is going to hold value like a SOB, the M4 is gonna burn you for 5 to 10K a yr in depreciation.

The full story: ECU light, they ripped out and replaced spark plugs, coils, injectors and then blamed bad gas. So I sold the car and ate the cost. Do you feel better? I don't trust a car that's so delicate and I do feel the dealer was racking up the charges and I lost trust in them.

[RPM33]

You need to fill up your German cars with Shell V Power nitro. I have a Porsche and a BMW and have always used Shell.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

The full story: ECU light, they ripped out and replaced spark plugs, coils, injectors and then blamed bad gas. So I sold the car and ate the cost. Do you feel better? I don't trust a car that's so delicate and I do feel the dealer was racking up the charges and I lost trust in them.

Right but as someone else said, you stated the gas was fine so was it tested and if it was the liability sits with either Porsche (gas is fine) or the gas company. Not sure how they can lump you with the bill until this is determined. To be clear, I am not doubting the dealer can be difficult or under-skilled or a PITA but Porssche just announced today they are officially not going to produce any more ICE Cayman and Boxsters, you had a 4 litre, NA gem of a thing in your hands, i'd have fought tooth and nail to keep it.

Staggered no one checked the MAF or O2 sensors.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Right but as someone else said, you stated the gas was fine so was it tested and if it was the liability sits with either Porsche (gas is fine) or the gas company. Not sure how they can lump you with the bill until this is determined. To be clear, I am not doubting the dealer can be difficult or under-skilled or a PITA but Porssche just announced today they are officially not going to produce any more ICE Cayman and Boxsters, you had a 4 litre, NA gem of a thing in your hands, i'd have fought tooth and nail to keep it.

Staggered no one checked the MAF or O2 sensors.

It’s not that special of a car. I don’t put up with check engine lights or dealer BS.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

It’s not that special of a car. I don’t put up with check engine lights or dealer BS.

But you bought a BMW to replace it with? Surely a CEL will never appear and the dealers are all solid. Trading a $100k car because you had to spend some money diagnosing a problem seems pretty counterintuitive considering how much you’d get killed on a trade. lol

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

But you bought a BMW to replace it with? Surely a CEL will never appear and the dealers are all solid. Trading a $100k car because you had to spend some money diagnosing a problem seems pretty counterintuitive considering how much you’d get killed on a trade. lol

Don’t care

[Efthreeoh]

But really, what is "bad gas"? Too much water contamination or too much dirt? The fuel filter would clean the dirt. Water would make the engine run bad until it is gone. Sounds like BS.

[chassis]

Bad gas is urban myth. I have never experienced it in a million miles+thousands of hours of motoring and operating all manner of combustion devices.

[BroDoze]

Originally Posted by chassis

Bad gas is urban myth. I have never experienced it in a million miles+thousands of hours of motoring and operating all manner of combustion devices.

lol - not urban myth. I got a bad tank of it in our Subaru in a crap hole highway gas station in MT on a long road trip this past winter. Almost had to tow the damn thing. Managed to burn through the tank to almost empty, fill up again and the symptoms cleared up by about 90%, by the 3rd tank car was back to 100%. Hesitation, lag, loss of power etc. ECU + engine were all sorts of squirrely. It happens. I’ve had it happen twice in my long driving history.

[Alfisti]

I am in a 997 chat and those guys absolutely refuse to use Esso.