[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by gohawks23

Max seems pretty ordinary driver this year since his car advantage has fallen off...but why the huge gap between him and his teammate? Is the other driver not so good because cars should be pretty similar?

Why the big gap with his teammate?
Why the equally big gap with his previous teammate (LAW)
Why the equally big gap with is teammate before that (PER, 4 years long 4 years in a row)
Why the equally big gap with his teammate before that (ALB)
Why the equally big gap with his teammate before that (GAS)
Why the equally big gap with his teammate before that (RIC, we're now back in 2018 )

You see a pattern?
some say you can rate a driver best if you compare him to his teammate, as they drive the same car.
And there's no driver that performs better in this scenario than Max. No driver has ever been that far ahead of his teammates years on end.
Sure there have been drivers that for most of the years performed better, but never that long, with that many driver and with those differences (either in points or in places in the championship).
I mean if you finish 1st years on end but your teammate finishes always 2nd years on end and the point difference isn't that much...sure you're better than your teammate, but for sure what sets you (and your teammate) ahead from the rest of the field is 100% the car.
Then again, if you are 1st years on end and your teammate isn't always 2nd, but also 3rd or 5th or lower.....then the driver is clearly a very deciding factor. (and this obviously also goes for if you're constantly 5th and your teammate can only finish 15th...years on end).

Many people underplay the performance of Verstappen, but none of it explains why, no matter who you put beside Max as a teammate in the same car, the difference is always huge.
So Max looking average now scoring 4th....indeed look at TSU. Any other driver on the grid would've finished in the low top 10 in that same car.

[gohawks23]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Why the big gap with his teammate?
Why the equally big gap with his previous teammate (LAW)
Why the equally big gap with is teammate before that (PER, 4 years long 4 years in a row)
Why the equally big gap with his teammate before that (ALB)
Why the equally big gap with his teammate before that (GAS)
Why the equally big gap with his teammate before that (RIC, we're now back in 2018 )

You see a pattern?
some say you can rate a driver best if you compare him to his teammate, as they drive the same car.
And there's no driver that performs better in this scenario than Max. No driver has ever been that far ahead of his teammates years on end.
Sure there have been drivers that for most of the years performed better, but never that long, with that many driver and with those differences (either in points or in places in the championship).
I mean if you finish 1st years on end but your teammate finishes always 2nd years on end and the point difference isn't that much...sure you're better than your teammate, but for sure what sets you (and your teammate) ahead from the rest of the field is 100% the car.
Then again, if you are 1st years on end and your teammate isn't always 2nd, but also 3rd or 5th or lower.....then the driver is clearly a very deciding factor. (and this obviously also goes for if you're constantly 5th and your teammate can only finish 15th...years on end).

Many people underplay the performance of Verstappen, but none of it explains why, no matter who you put beside Max as a teammate in the same car, the difference is always huge.
So Max looking average now scoring 4th....indeed look at TSU. Any other driver on the grid would've finished in the low top 10 in that same car.

I certainly don't know as much as you but the gap this year on RB seems huge(r)...lol...and plays into the idea of King Max! Thanks for your words and education as Netflix has really got me to pay more attention!

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

😴

The Ferrari strategy was a true shame (#FerrariThings)!

LEW's radio : Your team work really s@cks ..For once LEW was right .
But it was really enjoyable to see how they swapped pos. twice ..

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M3WC

My question is...was Hamilton not aware Leclerc and Vasseur relationship goes back to carting? Hamilton finding out today he is indeed the number 2 driver. He should have stayed with Merc.

As far as strategies...Ferrari doing Ferrari things.

LEW is not really a Ferrari driver . LEW in red is actually a Ferrari marketing tool.
Charlie is GOD in Italy..
SAINZ was a top Ferrari driver but Ferrari screwed him ..Too bad (!)
As I said : Ferrari shame on you (!

[GuidoK]

The moment it got out in the media that Hammy signed with Ferrari, Ferrari's stock bumped significantly.
Within 1 minute they easily made back 10 fold what Hammy's total contract with ambassadorship cost them ($466 million)
It's the way things go nowadays I guess.
Stock rose over 10% which equals over $7 billion.
Obviously Elkann (Agnelli family) is the major stock holder of the conglommerate that holds Ferrari.
Ferrari is the strongest riser (stockwise) of the supercar brands over the last ~10 years or so. Most other luxury car brands see a downwards spiral. Ferrari...the other way round.

Fortune.com even calculated 10 billion (12% stock rise following the news):
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/02/0...-one-earnings/

Pay 466 million over a period of 10 years, instantly getting 10 billion. Fantastic deal for Ferrari.

[wizardofOz]

I'm pleased to see both Williams in the top 10 and finishing, congrats to both! My guy Carlos finished the race again

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Ferrari : Swap positions AGAIN ..What a clown show !!!

Originally Posted by GuidoK

At Ferrari they're now swapping again.
So the net result of this was 0
And LEC not happy and Hammy not happy....

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

#FerrariThings (!)

Originally Posted by M5Rick

This is just managing two drivers, its never a happy ending in such a situation.

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Ferrari what in the fk was that race? The entire team has no clue what they are doing and what they want to do. The complete rebuild of the car isn't working and they don't know how to fix it and the strategy/communication is probably at its worst.

Originally Posted by M5Rick

It's the cars and normal for Ferrari in this instance with the tyre situation.

Originally Posted by M3WC

My question is...was Hamilton not aware Leclerc and Vasseur relationship goes back to carting? Hamilton finding out today he is indeed the number 2 driver. He should have stayed with Merc.
As far as strategies...Ferrari doing Ferrari things.

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

The Ferrari strategy was a true shame (#FerrariThings)!
LEW's radio : Your team work really s@cks ..For once LEW was right .
But it was really enjoyable to see how they swapped pos. twice ..

F1 2017 Hungary - July 30, 2017: Bottas P3 (Mercedes) hunted Räikkönnen P2 (Ferrari) to no avail. Hamilton P4 (Mercedes). Team Mercedes agreed to swap positions BOT-HAM to let Hamilton attempt to catch Räikkönen. Alike Bottas, also Hamilton couldn't catch Raïkkönen. Re-swap positions HAM-BOT was agreed (Hamilton proposed). Hamilton moved over in the very last corner of the final lap, deliberately giving P3 (and P3 WDC points) back to Bottas. Hamilton P4, less than half a second behind team mate Bottas P3. Team Mercedes, Hamilton and Bottas satisfied about the strategy - although it didn't work out as intended, at least they tried and no feelings got hurt, well on the contrary (mutual appreciation).

F1 2015 Miami - May 4, 2025: Team Ferrari adopted the same strategy, but badly executed/communicated it. Leclerc P7 (Ferrari) hunted Antonelli P6 (Mercedes) to no avail. Hamilton P8 (Ferrari). Team Ferrari should have proposed a LEC-HAM "swap + possible re-swap" strategy to both Hamilton and Leclerc to avoid tensions. Unfortunately, Team Ferrari clumsily delayed the decision-making, wasting precious time, causing more tire degradation and tire overheating for the driver following his team mate, angering both drivers. Swap ordered. Alike Leclerc, also Hamilton couldn't catch Antonelli (he did gain time, but insufficient for overtaking Antonelli by the end of the race). Re-swap ordered. Both drivers angry. Leclerc nagging that the re-swap was too late and stating that the situation would be discussed after the race. Hamilton also nagging, blaming that it's no good team work and sarcastically/unprofessionally asking whether the Ferrari team also wanted him to let Sainz (P9) pass.

Conclusion: the "swap + re-swap" strategy by Team Ferrari was good, but the execution and communication were a mess and resulted in upset drivers and embarrassing team radio messages.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

The moment it got out in the media that Hammy signed with Ferrari, Ferrari's stock bumped significantly.
Within 1 minute they easily made back 10 fold what Hammy's total contract with ambassadorship cost them ($466 million)
It's the way things go nowadays I guess.
Stock rose over 10% which equals over $7 billion.
Obviously Elkann (Agnelli family) is the major stock holder of the conglommerate that holds Ferrari.
Ferrari is the strongest riser (stockwise) of the supercar brands over the last ~10 years or so. Most other luxury car brands see a downwards spiral. Ferrari...the other way round.

Fortune.com even calculated 10 billion (12% stock rise following the news):
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/02/0...-one-earnings/

Pay 466 million over a period of 10 years, instantly getting 10 billion. Fantastic deal for Ferrari.

Papaya tyres . Ain't no good (!)

[Artemis]

Hamilton-Sainz final lap battle: no further action.

[HeelToeShift]

Bascially it's MB 2.0 - a car so fast that you only need to beat your teammate and maybe Max despite his car being much slower.

[Rono63]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Bascially it's MB 2.0 - a car so fast that you only need to beat your teammate and maybe Max despite his car being much slower.

The same could be said about the RB18 and definitely the RB19. Back when Red Bull had good engineers.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Did you see the last 20 sec. in the last lap ?

Well ...LEW got 2 fist punches from SAINZ (!)

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I'll see it in the re-run, hot blooded Carlo and dejected LEW

I'm pretty sure ,LEW won the radio of the day (!)
Thank you LEW , you made my day . But I'm on the floor !!!

[Artemis]

Russell is at risk to lose P3 if he failed to slow down under yellow flags (VSC resulting from Bortoleto PU failure).

Sainz and Gasly got a warning for ignoring those yellow flags.

[Artemis]

Protest rejected.

Just when you thought that 'yellow flags' serve the purpose to protect the safety of all drivers - stricken and non-stricken - in the event of a hazardous situation. If the interpretation of the regulations is incompatible with that purpose or questionable, the regulations need to be revised to close loopholes. Or simply abandon the Virtual Safety Car concept and only use Safety Car or red flag to ensure safety and no-one taking advantage of fuzzy rules facilitating to gain an advantage. Or impose a speed limit under VSC (like the 80 km/h speed limit in the pitlane): all equal.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Rono63

The same could be said about the RB18 and definitely the RB19. Back when Red Bull had good engineers.

I disagree - there were many close races that could have been and should have been won by others. I would say between 6 and 8 of them each season but Max outclassed them by good margin (ie when in Hungary Ham got the lead after a safety car and Max made the single fastest pass in SC history to pass and go on to win with just a couple laps, or when Max made 5 pit stops in a torrential downpour during the Zandvoort GP to hold off Alo).
What we are seeing now is a car that has an advantage RB wishes they had during those two seasons.

[Killed by Death]

#FerrariThings #Indecision

Charlie and Hammy need to work together for best results. They can't count on Ferrari engineers do make decisions

[AmuroRay]

Medicare max was just mediocre.

Ham maximizing pace to end up right with “god of Italy Charlie”

Good Job Oscar.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Medicare max was just mediocre.

Ham maximizing pace to end up right with “god of Italy Charlie”

Good Job Oscar.

They both sucked today and Ferrari indecision didn't help. It was a #Ferrari DRS train. Two different tire strategies and Ferrari didn't let Hammy go when he had better tires. Then they let Charlie through when hammy's tires fell off. I think hammy and Charlie would be better off planning strategy without anyone else's help. Especially when they are fighting mid-pack. But Charlie qualified ahead of hammy so it worked out in the end. I'm OK with the pathetic results

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Medicare max was just mediocre.

Ham maximizing pace to end up right with “god of Italy Charlie”

Good Job Oscar.

LOL you’re delusional. The Ferrari was faster than the RB yet Max finishes 4th (would have been 3rd without the SC) and Ham can’t even crack the top 7 (lmfao he sucks) in a faster car and loses to his teammate again.
Ham is not even mediocre, he’s flat out terrible. It is fun to watch him play second fiddle to Lec. Ham is now Bottas except bottas would have actually made it to Q3 in quali (and he stinks). He is where he is and has always belonged - a 4th rate driver who is solidly a number 2 lapdog to Mr Ferrari Lec. He may even be 3rd after Zho at this point.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

They both sucked today and Ferrari indecision didn't help. It was a #Ferrari DRS train. Two different tire strategies and Ferrari didn't let Hammy go when he had better tires. Then they let Charlie through when hammy's tires fell off. I think hammy and Charlie would be better off planning strategy without anyone else's help. Especially when they are fighting mid-pack. But Charlie qualified ahead of hammy so it worked out in the end. I'm OK with the pathetic results

Except Lec actually started to close down the gap to Ant - ham didn’t have the pace to because he stinks. Ferrari might not be kicking themselves financially but they must be pretty dissapointed that the Ham we all know, the one without pace, without speed, without race craft, the one who can’t do much with a fast car is showing himself in spades. They should have kept Sai who is faster in a slower car.

[Artemis]

Wdc:


wcc:

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I'm pretty sure ,LEW won the radio of the day (!)
Thank you LEW , you made my day . But I'm on the floor !!!

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